Obama, Clinton.. all the major players in the Dem primaries were calling for more troops in Afgan.

[Peacetrain]

Now that is just the plain and simple truth. I knew what I voted for, and while nervous as hell at how this is going to turn out, and wishing there was another way... I knew what I voted for, I knew who I voted for..

I am not surprised.

I am not chagrined.

I am not shocked to my socks.

[polichick]

1. Not surprised either - I'm disgusted. nt

[roguevalley]

45. everyone in power who can order/fund/extend a war needs to supply

a kid or two for the front lines, no exceptions.

[Vincardog]

2. WE also heard him campaign on ending DADT and ending NAFTA but those were just "campaign promises"

and we are not to expect any real action on them.

Funny DAT

[QC]

6. +1

[GodlessBiker]

10. +2

[Cha]

12. I know..because you don't expect much.

[NJmaverick]

14. Those two would be considered stalled campaign promises

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/subjects/gays-and-lesbians/

[newblewtoo]

30. Excellent link n/t

[FrenchieCat]

15. Were these promises with a firm timeline? If so, has the time expired?

If promises were made for "in his first term", is he able to continue to try to keep those promises,
or is it just fucking too late cause the only options are "it's yesterday, now, or never".

PS: He never promised to "end" NAFTA.

[burning rain]

17. He'd pledged to revise NAFTA, not end it.

But yeah, the administration abandoned that pledge early on--you may recall The Wall Street Journal and other free-trade ideologues crowing over it.

[NJmaverick]

35. I have trouble finding any indication of this "pledge"

[freddie mertz]

23. Also no taxation of Health Insurance benefits.

But don't complain about THAT either.

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.

[JuniperLea]

34. I think it's fair to judge by the whole term of office...

When a contender says "As president I will this that and the other thing" I'm pretty sure they mean during the term, not during the first 25% of the term.

[BeFree]

3. Right

They all claim we need to fight them over there.
So we don't have to fight them over here.

And away we go......

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

4. War and Peacetrain?

:shrug:

[Peacetrain]

5. That was has been so overused lately.. got to come up with a new one

I happen to love the song.. but I can be as mean as hell if need be.. don't let the peacetrain fool you one bit..

[polichick]

7. Guess that's sort of like not letting Obama's party membership fool us. nt

[Peacetrain]

8. say what... you got a point to that

[Cha]

11. No point.. just more Pres Obama vapid hate

from the insipid party member.

[polichick]

16. The point is obvious. You don't expect someone with the username "Peacetrain"...

...to justify ramping up an unnecessary war any more than you expect a Democrat to ramp up an unnecessary war.

[Peacetrain]

18. I am not justifing crap.. I just stand up .. simple as that.. I knew what

all the Democratic canidates who were viable stood for, and they were for increasing troops in Afghanistan..

The only thing that drives me crazy, is this sudden "oh my" he is going to send troops hair on fire" going on .

I knew he would send troops when I voted for him.

Hillary would have sent troops.. etc.

Am I nervous about this.. oh God yeah. But I am not going to wet my pants now and act like the President fooled me on this.

He did not.

I am hoping we finally hear a way out of that place tomorrow night. An end in site. A goal that will be set and will get us out of there.

This running around pissing in the wind, does not get us out of there.

[polichick]

19. I haven't seen a single poster who is surprised - but plenty who are disgusted. nt

[Peacetrain]

20. polichick.. my palms are sweating ..

I am that nervous about this.

I am not disgusted..

I knew this was coming..

It would have been coming, no matter what Democrat took office.

This was what was left us.. 2 wars to try and disengage from.

We will not be doing what happened in Vietnam again.

There will not be helicopters picking people up off of rooftops as we head for the ships to get out of town before the opposing army comes in.

I think, I hope, God I pray, the President will set a designated set of goals reached, and back us out of there.

[Cha]

21. Too much Disgusting Pissing in the wind from the Disgusted.

[Peacetrain]

22. Umbrella anyone

;)

[Cha]

26. Big ones! To cover

that and the shitstorm!

[brentspeak]

36. Ok, how about "Shill-train" then?

[JVS]

49. I like "The leader of the pack." Even so, I know that selecting it for a handle would give...

people certain ideas about me.

[Clio the Leo]

9. It's easy for those who are not directly responsible for protecting our national security...

..... to denounce any attempt to do so.

Do I totally believe that statement? Maybe.

But I can throw hyperbole around just as well as the next person.

Good post Peace. ;)

[ShortnFiery]

13. Yes, when are our leaders CHILDREN being sent over to Afghanistan?

It's also much easier to send OTHER PEOPLE'S offspring to go kill and die for the profits of the MIC and geopolitical advantages of the very ruling political elites who MAKES the orders. :grr:

No, I don't think Chelsea Clinton's future hubby Investment Banker would approve of her "patrolling around Kabul" with an Military Police Unit like MANY OTHER young women and men are doing right now who were not born to wealth and privilege. Do you?

[karynnj]

28. You mean like Joe Biden's son Beau?

I assume you would agree the President's daughters are far too young.

[girl_interrupted]

41. Perhaps having a son there helped Biden to seek other solutions?

Sometimes it's very easy when you aren't personally involved. But having a loved one there makes it really hit home. We have so lost so many men & women in both Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the wounded. Biden's plan differs from Obama. It does not require escalation. Well, I guess we will see what's going to happen Tuesday night.

[Vidar]

43. Afghanistan is no real threat. "National security" is the excuse of scoundrels.

[Fire1]

24. K&R. n/t

[freddie mertz]

25. So someone called "Peacetrain" supports WAR ESCALATION?

Weird.

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[freddie mertz]

29. Now he/she is denying it without "denying" it.

Very weird.

[Peacetrain]

31. Back it up or back down.... I am waiting

[Cha]

32. Peacetrain is talking about the reality of the war and that's

something you can't handle.

[CTLawGuy]

33. the outrage over Afghanistan is a recent phenomenon

for 7 years the left did not give a shit about the Afghanistan war. In fact many of them correctly pointed to how Iraq, which was actually an illegal war that Obama is getting us out of, was distracting us from our job in Afghanistan.

I think it is because the Iraq war is winding down, and some people who just live and breathe outrage need something to latch on to.

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[PVnRT]

48. Horseshit

You nothing about the antiwar movement if you assume it's been all Iraq all the time.

[Cha]

50. And, yet in spite of them

and those on the facist wing..President Obama will go about with laser focus and do what he thinks is best for our country.

That's exactly who I voted for because I know his record.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Afghanistan was not on the ballot in 2008. The choice was Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin

and we all voted for change, putting all of our hopes in Obama.

[brentspeak]

39. You must have agonized for weeks before commiting to such a firm, decisive stance on this issue

Do you always go out on a limb?

[girl_interrupted]

40. I don't know why some people say there isn't another way

Biden even offered another way. And it didn't include escalation. And you can't keep saying this was a "campaign promise" when he hasn't kept others. Doesn't make sense. And how can Obama trust Gen. McChrystal after his involvement in the Pat Tillman fiasco? The man perjured himself before Congress. Something is wrong here, terribly wrong.

[GreenArrow]

44. Dumb.

"We'll smoke 'em out of their holes!"

"We'll get 'em running, and chop off their heads, er, bring 'em to justice."

"And there's an old poster out West… I recall, that said, 'Wanted, Dead or Alive.'"

It was a dumb idea when Bush did it, it was a dumb idea when every "viable candidate" of either party ran on it, and it's dumb now.

[dkf]

46. We wanted to get Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. But if they've moved out

we have no business there.

[MadHound]

47. I knew that also, though I started by supporting Kucinich,

And only got behind Obama when Palin entered the picture.

But I knew what I was voting for. However that doesn't mean that I can't criticize what I see to be an immoral, illegal policy. Doesn't mean that I can't call for our troops to come home. Doesn't mean that I can't speak my mind.

Why does there seem to be a mindset around here that if you voted for Obama you have to sit down, shut up, and not criticize the man and his policies. This is a really undemocratic attitude, and completely irrational.