If this guy is the cop killer, then Mike Huckabee just imploded for 2012

[bluestateguy]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

Maurice Clemmons, the 37-year-old Tacoma man being sought for questioning in the killing of four Lakewood police officers this morning, has a long criminal record punctuated by violence, erratic behavior and concerns about his mental health.

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protestations of prosecutors.

"This is the day I've been dreading for a long time," Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas' Pulaski County said Sunday night when informed that Clemmons was being sought in connection to the killings.

Clemmons' criminal history includes at least five felony convictions in Arkansas and at least eight felony charges in Washington. The record also stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed.

I've been looking for payback for the Willie Horton ads for 21 years now. This may do it.

[havocmom]

1. yep.

He might as well don a helmet, ride around in a tank and enjoy his own demise.

[bluestateguy]

Calling all photoshoppers

I don't have the technological know how to superimpose Huckabee's face onto this picture.

[mlevans]

65. here you go

[GreenPartyVoter]

75. Looks like Gomer Pyle

[demwing]

87. Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!

[Demeter]

83. Frankly, that Would Be a Relief

Huckabee scared me as much as Reagan, and he's a lot younger and smarter.

[TwilightGardener]

2. The Wayne Dumond case could have been argued as one unfortunate case of bad judgment.

4 dead cops--nope, his campaign is over before it even started.

[Blue_Tires]

12. very true

although i was shocked to see the Dumond case get as little national attention as it did during the primary...

[proud2BlibKansan]

61. Isn't that the guy who murdered some women in MO

after Huckabee let him out?

[Blue_Tires]

66. yeah

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/ArticleViewer.aspx?ArticleID=154e1aad-fd18-4efd-8d80-b5dab8559419

[JHB]

68. Yes, and Huckabee let him out because...

...he (Huck) was currying favor from the wingnuts who claimed Dumond was a victim of the "Clinton Mafia" in Arkansas. (His victim -- at least the one he was in jail for -- was a relative of Clinton, who was governor at the time of his trial.)

Throw Huckabee in a cell with these guys.

[PatrynXX]

78. was wondering why Mike let him out

60 years is a heck of a sentence. Yet they won't let Leonard Peltier out. O_O

[TheEuclideanOne]

54. I guess Palin is a shoe in, though

Beck already exclaimed no-interest and Cheney already robbed the country well beyond his wildest dreams in the last 8 years so no motivation there. Who will be her VP pick?

[SharksBreath]

62. Bachman.

No Republican man would ever pay second fiddle to a women.

You heard Beck.

They belong in the kitchen.

[marshall]

94. It should also help Romney (assuming he's even on the radar then)

The religious freakazoids who were scared to death of a Mormon will have nowhere else to turn now that their sugar daddy has been caught with his pants down.

[MadMaddie]

3. Yep! What comes around goes around but unfortunately in this

case this guy killed 4 cops. This release was very controversial when he was released.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Ugly

Huckabee's finished.

[tularetom]

5. Nah, the Dems would never bring it up

He could have shot 20 cops and their entire families, their dogs, cats and burned their houses down, and the Dems would attack Huckabee on "policy differences".

Even if huck himself had shot the officers, they'd be too nice to mention it.

[bluestateguy]

9. Maybe not, but fortunately WE are not so nice

Bloggers and message boards can force the MSM to pay attention to a story they might otherwise ignore.

[burning rain]

23. Republicans will hit Huckabee with this, but blogosphere lefties?

I doubt any significant number will touch it as a political issue, for fear of being called racist and pulling a Willie Horton--Clemmons is after all a person of color.

[PatrynXX]

82. Perhaps, but I'm guessing Mike pulled a racist card too.

He let him out because of his race. Unlike Obama who got to be President with actual votes. And because he was a Dem. Although if Hillary had been it, it would have tested me. Way too close ties with the UAE and I'm uncomfortable with that. It wouldn't have been a gender issue though.

And I've often said... people who are smarter than Sarah Palin and could run. but I would be in no way supporting them. Ann Coulter and Lauran I. (however you spell it) At least they do have brains even if I disagree with them. Franklly even Paris Hilton is smarter than Sarah Palin.

[burning rain]

98. Points for digression!

.

[havocmom]

11. Ms Palin sure would, in a primary race

You betcha!

[tanyev]

14. Freepers, too.

They do not like Huckabee.

[barbtries]

49. so true

by the time palin's done with this story her base will think that huckabee had put him up in his own house and tried to adopt him.

[NYC Liberal]

32. Maybe but he'd get slammed in the primaries with it.

No doubt in my mind the other Repugs would use it!

[Hippo_Tron]

88. No, Dems would attack him for it

They just wouldn't do it in a manner that would collectively scare the crap out of the American people. The message that would get across would be "If Mike Huckabee is elected President he'll do something stupid like let a guy out of prison that he shouldn't" instead of "If Mike Huckabee is elected President he'll let some guy out of prison who will then come and rape my daughters and murder my family." The latter kind of message is the one that Republicans are much better at sending and it's usually a much more effective message.

[JVS]

6. Woot!

[opihimoimoi]

7. Hucky is Sucky...could be Soggy Toast too

[MichaelHarris]

8. As long

as his second amendment rights weren't violated we're OK.

[TheWraith]

39. Clemmons had no second amendment rights.

He's a convicted felon and could never legally own or even touch a gun or one single round of ammunition. Ever.

[dsc]

55. actually that may not be true

especially since he got commuted. NC just had a case where a felon got his gun rights restored in a similar situation.

[TheWraith]

90. The NC case wasn't a felony, and commuted isn't the same thing as pardoned.

A sentence being commuted doesn't wipe out the conviction. Also, he was convicted for other seperate felonies.

[dsc]

92. I think it was

a drug felony but a felony none the less.

[merh]

10. Well crap. That just gives Palin a step up.

Huckabee is more pleasant than Romney and Palin.

Of course, this means Romney will now be able to focus on destroying Palin.

:dilemma:

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. One at a time these clowns will self-destruct. I recommend that highly.

There goes the first one.

[Solomon]

70. I disagree. I don't think this will do the slightest harm to

Huckabee's "chances." We always think that what's good for the goose is good for the gander, but that doesn't apply to democratic geese and republican ganders.

There's a double standard in this country when it comes to repugs and democrats. Look at Palin for chrissakes. Do you think a democratic governor could quit in the middle of his/her term and still be touted as a presidential candidate instead of a quitter?

It doesn't get any crazier than that.

[Clio the Leo]

13. While I'm sad for the officers' families.....

.... this is good news on the politcal front. Lets get as many slightly-more-intelligent contenders out of the way and give the Crazyhouse Queen a clear path.

I would get IN my car and drive to the polling place and cast my vote for her in the GOP primary just for the sheer joy of watching her and the President in a debate. .... let me rephrase that, a "debate."

[Wednesdays]

24. Do you really want to subject our president to that, though?

He has enough crazy shit to deal with as it is. :P

[Clio the Leo]

26. It will be a test of his self control....

..... to see if he can make it through the thing without laughing or rolling his eyes.

[Yavin4]

35. Obama Debated This Guy for the Ill Senate

So, he knows how to debate crazy.

[Garam_Masala]

36. but I hate to admit but but

I have to admit Palin is better looking than Obama's senate opponent.
And looks do mean something in age of live TV...like it or not.

[PatGund]

42. Yeah, and Keyes still hasn't gotten over it...

He lost to Obama not once, but twice.

No wonder Keyes plays kissyface with the birthers.

[Whisp]

25. kekekek. hadn't thought of that...

thanks for mentioning!

Palin and Obama in a debate.

:rofl:
I'd pay to see that, really truly.
Run, Sarah, Run for Pres!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[cherokeeprogressive]

29. Sick, Sad, and Absolutely Lacking in Compassion.

"While I'm sad for the officers' families...."

That you would complete the sentence with ANYTHING including the words "good news" is totally and completely beyond the pale. Oh my goodness.

TRAGIC NEWS FOR FOUR FAMILIES MEANS GOOD NEWS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA! FOUR PEACE OFFICERS AMBUSHED AND MURDERED IN WASHINGTON STATE! LET'S MAKE HAY WITH THIS PEOPLE! WE CAN REALLY USE THIS TO OUR ADVANTAGE!

Fuck me but I'd never be part of anything like that. EVER. That's absolutely sick, and my heartfelt wish is that the families of the four murdered Peace Officers someday read your words.

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[Skittles]

47. I agree

[Prism]

43. What a gross sentiment

Is there currently some kind of contest happening where the President's biggest supporters are competing for the most outlandish use of innocent dead to bolster the President's political standing?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

53. You should be ashamed of yourself

think about it.

[NJCher]

69. OMD, where did you ever find that picture!!??

It is perfect for your post.

:rofl:

:toast: to Clio.


Cher

[kiva]

72. Gee, maybe someone else he pardoned could kill a

classroom full of children...that would REALLY be good news, right?

Sad for the families? Bullshit. You are the worst sort of political whore, a personality junkie - I say the worst because there is little you all will not do or say to defend your addiction. The irony is that I believe that Obama will express true sadness at these deaths, but not be privately gleeful about this tragedy...too bad you can't follow his example.

[stevenleser]

15. Where are Atwater and Ailes when you need 'em? Ooops...

Atwater is dead, rest in peace and Ailes is Huckabees boss, proving that once again, reality is stranger than fiction!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. Is this The Huckster's "Willie Horton" moment?

[slackmaster]

38. Yes, I think it is

Nice going, Mike.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Mikey, you 'ol bleeding heart, commie, pinko, spineless, pablum-puking librul you.

Nice knowing you - NOT.

[Perky]

19. Yeah but here's the thing. If it had been a Democrat who pardoned Clemmons.

how many of us would have been defending the Dem? Not saying Huckabee won't or should not pay a hefty price, but I am saying that trotting out the "soft on crime" meme is a double edged sword.

[msallied]

28. Well think about it this way...

It would be a double-edged sword for them as well... :)

[mrbarber]

20. Wow, these threads are vile.

4 police officers are brutally gunned down, and all you can talk about is how it's good for the political climate in this country?

Vile. Absolutely vile. I guess human life means nothing compared to rabid hatred.

[stevenleser]

21. Well, not to point out the obvious but this IS a political website.

This does have political implications.

That being said, I am not sure anyone was talking about how "good" it was for the political climate.

[mrbarber]

22. ".... this is good news on the politcal front."

Post 13.

Although, I must admit, the poster did say he felt "sad for the family", so I guess that makes it all okay.

And, not to point out the obvious, but sometimes human suffering trumps political leanings.

[Sugarcoated]

27. Well, if this discussion is vile

and, again, it's just discussing, then Republican's you must admit, are a steaming load of human filth, because they don't just talk about exploiting this kind of stuff for political gain, they go for it with glee and twinkle in their eye, positively revel in it.

[lynne]

30. He's has a long list of infractions since being released 9 years ago. -

Given his history, why hasn't he been put back in jail without bond?

From the article: "Clemmons had been in jail in Pierce County for the past several months on a pending charge of second-degree rape of a child. He was released from custody just six days ago, even though was staring at seven additional felony charges in Washington state."

CHILD RAPE AND HE WAS RELEASED SIX DAYS AGO while having 7 additional felony charges pending? I think the more pertinent question is why the hell was he released last week?

[msallied]

31. I live just 10 minutes south of Pierce Co.

And I have a friend whose son is currently in the Pierce Co jail on a marijuana charge. This friend's son is schizophrenic and has posed a threat to himself and others, and is currently in solitary lock-up because of his unbalanced mental state. When they brought them in, they told his mother that they were considering releasing him, before there was even an ARRAIGNMENT, because of the lack of beds.

In that same county, they are trying to close McNeil Island Corrections Center due to state budgetary cuts, even though there is massive overcrowding as it is. This state is up shit creek when it comes to jails and prisons. While it's abhorrent that this guy was released, I can't say I'm surprised either. And I'm terrified that he's still out there right now.

[eridani]

51. Thay need the jail space for pot smokers

:sarcasm:

[tkmorris]

33. What was Huck's reasoning for granting clemency?

You'd think he'd stay miles away from a guy with that many felonies on his record.

[AllentownJake]

37. Don't know for sure

but I'm guessing a conversion to his religion is probably a sure fire guess as to why it may have been granted.

[saltpoint]

41. A very good question. There is this odd reference in the account from

http://arkansastimes.com/

-- about "intercessions by ministers" as a motivation context for Huckabee's granting the guy clemency.

[Carni]

73. OK well I guess my first reaction wasn't crazy!

I think I am starting to understand these right winged nuts a little too well when I can predict their motives!

[saltpoint]

89. Hi, Carni. Yep. It gets a bit scary if you ask me.

I'll wait to see what unfolds in the background stories that prompted Huckabee to grant him clemency, but the "intercessions by ministers" makes me distrust Huckabee more than ever.

[barbtries]

50. it was an early conviction for robbery

for which he'd been sentenced to 37 years. in reality a much better question would probably be why he was on the streets at this point.

[Carni]

71. I'll bet that kid was backed by a born again group (?)

That was my first reaction when hearing that Huckabee granted clemency many years ago.

The ONLY thing that I could think of was, that some born again group was behind the movement to grant that kid clemency because I cannot imagine a right winger like Huckabee giving someone like that guy clemency, unless he was doing some pandering to his base.

I guess there's no way to find out but I am very curious!

[SKKY]

40. Can you say "Dukakis"???

[robertpaulsen]

58. Michael Huckakakis?

I'm trademarking that now so that I can sue Sarah Palin for royalties in three years.

:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[DinahMoeHum]

59. How about "Michael Dukakabee" ??

:sarcasm::evilgrin::sarcasm:

[winyanstaz]

44. No wonder Huckabee is making noises about

"NOT running for president in 2012" :P

[windbreeze]

45. 9-NINE children have lost a parent...so I certainly hope there IS some sort of

comeuppance for Huckabee, for commuting this guy's sentence 9 yrs ago...wb

[Kablooie]

46. Why did Huckabee free him? Anyone know?

[pokerfan]

48. Huckabee cited Clemmons' young age

When Clemmons received the 60-year sentence, he was already serving 48 years on five felony convictions and facing up to 95 more years on charges of robbery, theft of property and possessing a handgun on school property. Records from Clemmons' sentencing described him as 5-foot-7 and 108 pounds. The crimes were committed when he was 17.

Clemmons served 11 years before being released.

News accounts say Huckabee commuted Clemmons' sentence, citing Clemmons' young age at the time the crimes were committed.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010385617_webmansought29.html

[pattmarty]

52. I am not by any means getting on the Huckabee bandwagon, but.................

.............out of ALL the potential candidates AT THIS TIME, he was the least destructive. I know he's an ex preacher, but when he was governor of Arkansas he was a social moderate, with the notable exception of abortion and gays. He's an intelligent guy and personable also. I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR HIM, but as the assholians that are potential candidates at this time, he was probably the "best". I agree that this ruins his chances for 2012 and isn't there another posting in LBN about him on Fox saying "no" to 2012, probably because of this. I always thought his show on Fox was his "stump" for 2012.

[AzNick]

56. I would not celebrate... 4 cops died... nt

[BREMPRO]

57. More on Huckajesus's clemencies record:

"Huckabee's clemencies became a campaign issue when he ran for the Republican presidential nomination last year. He was criticized by prosecutors and political rivals for releasing prisoners who went on to commit more crimes.

"It's a crying shame that a sitting governor would be so insensitive to victims' rights," Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney Larry Jegley told an Arkansas newspaper, The Leader, in 2004.

In one high-profile case, castrated rapist Wayne DuMond was set free by the Arkansas parole board at Huckabee's urging, according to news accounts. DuMond later suffocated a mother of three in Missouri and was sentenced to life in prison, where he died in 2005.

A Southern Baptist preacher, Huckabee sometimes was motivated to release prisoners at the urging of pastors or other acquaintances, according to news accounts.

His clemencies also benefited the stepson of a staff member, and even Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards, who received a pardon for a 1975 traffic offense. Huckabee, who sometimes jammed on the bass guitar with his band at campaign events, pardoned Richards after meeting him at a concert."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010386690_huckabee30m.html?prmid=obinsite

[John Q. Citizen]

60. I see you have no qualms about out Repubicaning the Repos. Why am i not surprized?

[Arkana]

63. I'd prefer his fellow Republicans Willie Hortoned him, rather than a Democrat.

[davidwparker]

64. that was my first thought when I read this on HuffPo. Well, it looks like

O will now get a second term. He has no real challengers on the horizon.

This, and tax-hike Mike, he is done.

[WeDidIt]

67. And Huckleberry has already said he won't run

I wonder if somebody in Washington gave him a heads up.

[MrModerate]

74. Don't necessarily jump for joy. Huckabee is a loser, and we want . . .

The Republics to have the widest possible range of losers to choose from for 2012. Frankly, I don't think even the suicidal element of the Republic Party would let Palin score the nomination, so second-tier dickwads like Huckabee, Romney, Jindal, etc., etc., become more important.

[DonkeyHoTay]

93. MITTENS Romney must be jumping for joy right about now...

HUCKLEBERRY IS NOW EFFECTIVELY NEUTRALIZED; QUE SARAH SARAH
WILL HAVE RUN OUT OF GAS BY THEN; AND HIS ONLY SERIOUS
OPPONENT COULD WELL BE RECYCLED NEWT!

[MrModerate]

96. Gingrich-Beck 2012? Romney-Pawlenty? Palin-Palin? . . .

I like them odds.

[fascisthunter]

76. Huckabee is screwed... (nt)

[RayStar]

79. NO I like Mike

I hope this does not affect his run in 2012. I would not vote for him under any circumstances.

I say we should take the non-violent prisoners out of prison and force them to join the armed forces. We take care of them anyway so this enlistment will prove to us taxpayers that our money is not being wasted. I say non-violent prisoners which equals not murderers in my book.
Who knows perhaps some will welcome the opportunity to serve their country. I say we should consider this as we need more troops in all of the services.

[PatrynXX]

77. if they can do it do Michael Duk.... they'll do with another Mike. n/t

[mimitabby]

80. i just read the accounting of why Huckabee pardoned him

He did a lot of really stupid stuff as a teenager and got put away. i might have let him out early too. BUT after the very first parole violation, not a year later, that's when I would have locked him back up .... for good.

[jimlup]

81. Unfortunately Willy Horton doesn't work in reverse

[beyurslf]

84. We will have to hope the Republicans beat him up in the primary over it.

We would never touch that. We play too nice.

[Third Doctor]

85. you know

that the repubs judge people outsider their cabal by a different standard. Huckabee simply made a mistake and is not responsible in their eyes while Dukakis was responsible in every way.

[GMA]

86. That would be okay with me.

n/t

[knightinwhitesatin]

91. Well

he is pretty heavy, his gravity displacement was gonna cause an implosion at some point

[AspenRose]

95. That's exactly what my republican husband admitted to me last night

The question is whether the democrats will capitalize on it or not. Sometimes we are too damn nice.

[Leo The Cleo]

97. I Wish Huckabee Would Run

This would really be a great help.