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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 12:46 PM
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"Abortion Still Threatens Health Overhaul Effort"

Abortion Still Threatens Health Overhaul Effort


March 3, 2010
Of the remaining issues with the potential to bring down the entire health overhaul effort, the one that lawmakers fear most is abortion.

Abortion is such a politically hazardous issue that sponsors of both the House and Senate health bills have said their object was to maintain the status quo. "It is not the intention of this bill to, as the speaker has said, to change the policy that has been in place for three decades," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, (D-MD), on Tuesday. Hoyer was referring to what is known as the Hyde Amendment. It has barred federal funds from being used to pay for abortions since 1977.

But keeping the health bills abortion-neutral has proved impossible. And now the abortion language in the Senate-passed bill in particular could threaten the strategy Democratic leaders hope to use to get a final measure to President Obama's desk for a signature.

The bill the House passed in November barred abortion funding in programs directly funded by the federal government. But it also banned it in private insurance plans that cover abortion if those plans are federally subsidized.

Abortion-rights groups say the problem with the House bill is that it would roll back coverage for abortion many women now have in private insurance.

"Anyone receiving a subsidy for their premium from the government would not be allowed to choose a plan that includes abortion and that would apply to about 85 percent of people participating in the exchange," said Jessica Arons. She's Director of the Women's Health and Rights Program at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank. The exchange is the new insurance marketplace the bills would create.

The bill passed by the Senate in December, however, doesn't go quite as far. But it's even more confusing. It, too, would bar most direct federal funding of abortion. But it would let private plans cover abortions — if people are willing to write a separate check each month for that coverage. Arons says that's something abortion-rights groups find really distasteful.

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Still, National Right to Life's opinion on the bill counts, because it scores votes as being pro-life or not. And Johnson has made it clear how his group will score this vote. "No member of the House of Representatives who is pro-life, or who wishes to have a record against federal funding of abortion could possibly vote for the Senate bill."

That raises a big red flag for Democratic leaders in both houses. That's because the way they are hoping to finish work on their health overhaul is for the House to pass the Senate's bill — abortion language and all. Then they plan to pass a second bill that will incorporate a number of compromises between the House and Senate. For that they'll use the so-called budget reconciliation process that only requires 51 Senate votes.

But as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi acknowledged Tuesday, those compromises probably won't include a change in abortion language. "In order to be in part of the budget bill, it has to be central to the budget. That's the rule. And it's a very strict rule," she said.

Which means anti-abortion House Democrats who originally voted for the House health bill will likely face this choice: Vote for a Senate bill that's more lenient on abortion or vote against health overhaul. And it will make it that much harder for House leaders to get the majority they need to pass the bill.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124265069
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:04 PM
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1. anti-abortion House Democrats
No such thang. Yellow Dogs, Blue Dogs, what ever ya wanna call 'em, it always seems to end in dog.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:13 PM
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2. Cannon fodder and cheap labor
Anti abortion advocates can't seem to get as excited about the care of children. They are the ones constantly stopping bills to give care to children. But being anti abortion supplies cannon fodder for our monied "superiors" and cheap labor for business. This is the heart of Republican conservatism: cannon fodder and cheap labor. No wonder cons think the general public is gullible. Critical thinking would pose some serious thoughts about the system. An educated, healthy lower-class is a threat to the haves.
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seattle_blue Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:25 PM
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3. Abortion threatens nothing
It is nothing more than a political bunker for people that don't support the bill. "Hey, I wanted to support it but hey.." wink wink
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:28 PM
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4. I don't understand why abortion has to be part of this debate AT ALL!
If Stupak, et. al want this so badly, then they should introduce a separate bill and request a vote on it but it shouldn't be allowed to torpedo HCR. :banghead:
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 03:43 PM
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8. Stupak never had a problem accepting abortion money in the past
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:31 PM
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5. Stupak on Hardball: "There are at least 12 of us....."
"There are at least 12 of us who voted FOR the House bill who wont vote for Senate bill unless the language is changed."

Are we sure this guy isn't really Canadian? I'm gonna need to see a birth certificate ..... long form.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 05:39 PM
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6. and they are.....
according to Cantor's whip list...

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falcon97 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 02:57 AM
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7. I know Driehaus' district.
It would be difficult for him to vote for something that could be considered pro-choice. I'm not condoning his vote, just explaining that he's in a district dominated by anti-choice Catholics.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:59 PM
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11. I was afraid my blue dog was going
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 11:59 PM by Cha
to be on there..Michael Arcuri..seems there were a couple of things in the Senate Bill he wasn't happy with.

Not there:bounce: Anh Cao, though..not good.

Thank you for the list, Clio~
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 04:00 PM
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9. Sadly Stupak will get what he wants -- Women aren't as valued.
I still praise Liberals/Progressives of the party for being the ONLY group that actually support women rights but because this group tends to be shun by most of the media, and the rest of the party it is clear by association women have little chance of having a say in the abortion issue, regardless of what the polls say (which i am sure most women in the country dont want stupak's hands on it).

The democrats WILL buckle on this simply because it has happened several times already. It's a tough spot though because although the bill isn't good and this stupak nonsense makes it even worse i can see the democrats pretty much committing suicide if they dont pass something. If stupaks stuff gets put in the passed bill i can even see repubs using this against dems to push women away from voting for them in November....and it seems clear right now if thye dont pass the stupak admends. the bill risks not passing at all which will kill the majority dems currently hold in both chambers. Catch-22.
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denimgirly Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 04:04 PM
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10. Still Amazes me Roe vs Wade became Law or even Allowing Women to Vote.
Seeing as how we still treat women like they cant make their own decisions and still property of men i am truly amazed those previous decisions were made for women. How the heck did that happen?

Ooops. gotta get back into the kitchen or i am sure to get a beating. Bye.
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