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Purveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:15 PM Original message |
Obama Signs One-Year Extension Of Patriot Act |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. more Change we can Believe In. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. The House voted for it 315 to 97..... |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:24 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Gee you're right |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. So you think he should have vetoed the Patriot Act? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Had he vetoed, or threatened to veto, he would have shown, |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. It wouldn't have shown shit, beyond giving the Right more talking points. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. It would have shown that Obama stood for the Constitution he swore to uphold |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Who cares about leadership? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 06:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
78. Hey if |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. How many Democrats rushed to vote for PATRIOT and IWR? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. ah |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Ineffectiveness necessitates excuses. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. Some don't remember when the Patriot Act was first introduced |
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Ishoutandscream2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. I'm sorry, but I can't take you seriously anymore |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
69. I beg to differ...Patriot act is UN-American |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Parts of it certainly were. And we dont know which parts are still in and which ones are no longer |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. It would have shown the courage of conviction. |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Yes he should have vetoed it |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
67. Yes. Some courage for what's right goes a long way. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. The same 'brave' Democrats that voted for Iraq War Resolution in October of an election year |
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warm regards (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
76. "Do you really think that Democrats were going to vote against the patriot act in an election year" |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
77. How sad that you've accepted that. |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
87. its always an election year. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. oops |
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bigdarryl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. this isn't good |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. I thought he was a constitutional lawyer.. |
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beaujolais (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Constitutional Lawyer |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Fucked if I know. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. He was a civil rights attorney in Chicago. |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. ..... |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. He was a constitutional law professor |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. Whats that suppose to mean? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Think non-affiliated nutters. |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Scott Roeder, Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber, Eric Rudolph, etc. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Eggsactly. |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
45. No. They are US citizens. EOM |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. This? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why? Any reason given? And does the entire thing have to |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I think the Senate tried to make changes, but failed. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Thanks, Frenchie. I may be in the minority here, but I'm not |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree. |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Oversight is not being brought "into the issues" |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
60. I don't think court approved was part of the language |
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rhiannon55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. Actually a lot has changed. |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Yes but we have to watch those who are not "ordinary" |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. PATRIOT is a dog whistle for some. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Senate fail is damn near axiomatic these days |
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brand404 (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. Obama = Center-Right -- so this action is HIGHLY Expected. |
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imnKOgnito (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
14. I see this as an election year gambit |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Democrats rushed to vote for Iraq War Resolution in order to deprive GOP of an election issue |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. It's all about the election |
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imnKOgnito (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. And I don't disagree with either of you |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. To be honest, I don't see anything wrong to these provisions. |
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Dream Detector 2010 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
19. That's my President! |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Hmmmmmmmmmm |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
21. Obama had no choice |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:17 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The bill was put on his desk to sign, |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
28. - |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
29. The double standard reeks. |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. +1,000,000,000,000 |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
30. Obama loves the warrentless wiretaps that is for sure n/t |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Wouldn't, "Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance" |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. True that is what the OP says I stand corrected |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. I'm fully aware of his position on FISA and it says the same thing as the OP in FISA. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. and indefinate detention and military tribunals. nt |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
35. This is bullshit. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
38. This is so sad. Obama just can't seem to do the right thing |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
62. Someone NetFlicks this movie to the White House: "Do the Right Thing" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
40. Deleted message |
TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. Wow - more "change" we fell for...!!! |
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laylah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. Well, |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
49. UGH |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
51. I wish he hadn't done that |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
55. What a patriotic act! |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
59. Roving wiretaps didn't require court authorization in the original Patriot Act |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
63. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
68. The article is misleading and incomplete and should not be used to judge anything either way |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Obviously many DUers care less about that. n/t |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Provisions that were to expire were extended. Nothing was changed. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Links/Evidence? |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-01-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
74. Correct headline: "Obama Signs One-Year Extension Of Patriot Act Because Of Course He Does" nt |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
79. Looks like these people agree with Obama |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. That's why I say we need a full explanation. Kneejerk reactions dont make sense |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
80. I love the smell of 'change' in the morning.. |
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branders seine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-02-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
83. and the neat thing is, no one knows what "terrorist" really means! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
84. Two on your list are court-approved |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-03-10 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
88. It is called punting and buying time to complete other pressing items i.e. HCR |
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