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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:18 PM Original message |
Pelosi Reps the Public Option; Obama Admits He Abandoned It |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. And the truth hurts.But even if the Prez says it, Some will not believe it. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
22. Had a hunch about who you're referring to, and lo and behold, looked below and saw them. |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Down a little more. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. If Pelosi wants to keep the House majority, she needs to place the onus directly on the Senate |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. Slam Dunk Nancy! |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. Obama doesn't want it but not because GOPers don't like it |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Bullshit. n/t |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. See this thread |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I've seen more than enough of that thread. Anonymous bullshit sources from August-'09. |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Show me one |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. And when I do, then what will you say? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
58. major news organizations have relied for centuries on anonymous sources |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
61. Do you really the president has supported the public option in any substantive way? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Cute. So say anything to get elected"campaign rhetoric" is okay with you? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. so it's ok to lie to voters? make promises that he had NO intention of keeping? |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
59. major news organizations have relied for centuries on anonymous sources |
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REACTIVATED IN CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
57. IMO, what the hospitals object to is the |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
64. Um, there's a qualifier in that sentence that most people in that thread are ignoring |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. And as I recall, they were discussing Medicare PLUS rates. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. I can understand after the divisive Presidency of the uniter GWB* why |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. How lame...Do they really think Democrats are that stupid to believe that???? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. And look at all the support he gained by trying to please them |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Bipartisanship is a Figleaf |
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skyounkin (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
14. Damn....Nancy, |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. K&R |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. Where does Obama admit he abandoned it? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Nothing like garbage from our side, |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. FrenchieCat, Pelosi's words and Obama's words speak for themselves. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. bogus? Obama has abandoned the P.O.! the public wants it, dems can get it, but Obama abandoned it! |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. We have enough votes to get it through the Senate? |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Obama, "...after the public option wasn’t available..." |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
60. I've been searching and searching and searching. Ugh...more shit. n/t |
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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
24. Sounds like Nancy's on board for starting over with the PO being the centerpiece. |
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ROTATING_VILLAIN (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. looks like they are in damage control mode |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
26. No surprise - and we all knew it would get him NOTHING! Wonder if he gets it yet. nt |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
27. If enough Dems. would've been for it, he would've welcomed/praised it. n/t |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. His job is to make enough Dems want it.That is what other presidents did. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. it's called LEADERSHIP! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And he led us further than any other president has to getting a HCR bill! |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. he fiddled all summer, while the issue languished; he abandoned the PO and his campaign promises! |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. He led us into deals with insurers, PHRMA and big health care before the process |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
69. He hasn't led US on this, we've led HIM. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. True, as opposed to placating the enemy or covering one's ass... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Obama has gotten us further than any other president has. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Not really. Nothing has happened yet And the WH poposal isn't that much better than status quo. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. "Nixon had a better health plan.If this passes, it will be landmark but mostly symbolic." Bullshit |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. it's the painful truth |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. "Not really"??? That just shows you have no idea what you're talking about... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. This isn't HCR no matter what it is called. No real plan has ever |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. He did not get the House Bill passed. Besides, the first House Bill was single payer, which Obama |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. unless you're a high-profit health insurance corp, then Obama's plan is way better! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Yeah. That's why everyone is against it. Every liberal congressman is a sell-out, right? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. there are quite a few, who, along w/ the American public, want a P.O. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Nice try at a change of subject. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Even liberal congressmen can be bullied by party loyalty and the need for DNC funding for |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Keep making up reasons to justify your position. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Better than a Republican President proposed 4 decades ago, when the sittutation was |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
50. "Further" means nothing. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Self Delete. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. In case you haven't noticed, they're well on their way to getting it passed. n/t |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
28. What the House passed was a watered down public option. Pelosi making point Dems have compromised. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
36. Abandoned? |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. He left it out of his bill. He never insisted on it with Congress. To the contrary, he called it a |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. I would use "abandoned," like any other honest observer would. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. I would say he "accepted losing it". |
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DisgustedInMN (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 06:17 AM Response to Original message |
49. Truth to power. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
54. Earth to WH. No admission necessary. We noticed. All your "liberal friends" noticed. The rest |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
63. That's not what the quoted portion of his remarks said. |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
65. IMO |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
67. Open Left's take on it: |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Thanks for that! |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
70. How about 400 billion? |
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