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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:46 PM Original message |
Obama Addresses the Mandate Issue (and Why He Changed His Mind) |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Facts and whats good for others don't mean much when it comes to people's pocket books |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Because we are Americans and we don't give a shit about other people's needs. nt |
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terrell9584 (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
39. No |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
50. Good luck selling the mandate to people who don't want it with that. eom |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:49 PM Original message |
Why did he change his mind on the Public Option? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. He's got some 'splaining to do there, doesn't he? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. Who says he changed his mind? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. If he did not actually campaign on the public option, |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. The Real Reason Obama's Plan Doesn't Include a Public Option |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. "he had no problem leading people to believe that he was in favor of it" |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Follow the news much?nt. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
13. Why did he change hs mind on the Cadilac Tax? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. When did he oppose the excise tax that's in the bill? n/t |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
57. during the campaign against mccain |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes. It's good he changed his mind and said this. nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. So, I'm just throwing this out there.. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. sounds like a darned good argument for single payer . . . |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Ding ding! nt |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. Because he found out he has traitors called Conservadems who would NEVER vote on it. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. of course he is not going to push it - he won't even push the PO |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Don't spread lies. Please. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. saying you "support" it and pushing it are two different things |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. He did not murder puppies for the public option. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:48 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. lets bring in some hyperbole . . . |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Oh, you literally meant physically twisting arms? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #43 |
58. well - I think you would agree that "twisting arms" has a couple of accepted meanings |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 11:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. He did - |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. Eggzactly! |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. EVERY argument for the mandate sounds like an argument for single payer. eom |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
8. Mandates are still Unconstitutional... Period. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. I want legal chapter and verse on that |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Well...first, have you ever read the US Constitution? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. "uniform throughout the US" simply means the rules has to be |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. No, that section says nothing about "States".... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. It is no different from any other tax/tax deduction policy. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Taxes for a single payer system would be constitutional |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. We are taxed to pay private corporations all the time |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Wow - a whole bunch of false arguments.... |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. That's a false distinction. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. Then create an egalitarian system if you are forcing everyone to pay into it |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
38. +1 |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
46. At the very least, if you're interested in efficiency & cost savings- rather than placating insurers |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. I have no problem with a mandate COMBINED with a public option... |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. I agree with this wholeheartedly and think it makes sense, If you're going to have the mandate, |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. I agree with President Obama AND |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. So instead of having taxes pay for it in a progressive way |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. +1...worth repeating |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
18. And Hell Hath No Fury -- |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
21. Did he explain why these mandates need to be to purchase |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. It avoids the core issue --- NO MANDATES WITHOUT PUBLIC COVERAGE |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
28. Because it give 1 trillion to big insurance every 5 years, duh. nt |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. If I refuse that silly mandate, AND refuse to pay the fines... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
40. Government redistribution through private companies is not the way to go. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
41. We need to have "everyone" paying in to Social Security for it to work, and we do. I HOPE this is... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. But SS doesn't skim 30% off the top to pay execs big $$ and bean counters to deny your benefit. eom |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
42. IMO |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
45. He's absolutely right, and has been ever since he changed his mind. |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
56. Private insurance is the worst possible mechanism |
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brand404 (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. Repubz have their Ammo for November -- w/o a Public Option this Mandate is political suicide |
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