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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:52 AM
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The White House thinks there isn't public support for the public option
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 09:35 AM by dkf
Apparently we need to bomb them with "get a clue...we want a public option" messages

Anyone know the best way to do this?

On Edit: here is the White House contact link:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:53 AM
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1. They said there isn't 'political' support for it. They don't care about the strong 'public' support
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:57 AM
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2. Pah they should be the same thing.
Is that the problem? Nobody care what the public wants just what our bought and paid for senators want?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:05 AM
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6. Yes, I agree. nt
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:16 AM
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33. You must be young...
there is often a GINORMOUS gap between "should" and "is" - as there is in this case.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:12 AM
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7. Exactly. Duh. Why must people try to miscontrue what the president
wants. If Obama thought he could get a bill passed with the PO, he'd publically support it, like he DID BEFORE... But, he already knows the head count of who is opposed to it, so why waste his time and ours, proposing something (AGAIN!), that he knows won't pass and will only serve to confuse the public?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:13 AM
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8. He works for us, not PhRMA or the Congress. He was elected to lead, not follow. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:25 AM
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10. Whatever. Luckily, it's not a crime to be dense on purpose. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:39 AM
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17. Fuck you. He's supposed to be the people's candidate/president, remember? Grass roots support???
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 09:39 AM by Captain Hilts
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:44 AM
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19. And, what about your CONGRESSIONAL representatives??? Is Obama
a king over them? Is this still America? Does Obama have some kind of mystical mind-controlling powers that he make congress do what he wants??? Please explain, how in a democracy, one man, albeit, president, has total control over how government is run. Because I missed that part. :shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:46 AM
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20. Wow. What an apologist. And, yes, I have called my senators. The prez is supposed to LEAD. nt
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:51 AM
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23. BWAAAAAAAA... You sound like a broken record called..
The President is Supposed to Lead. :cry:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:48 AM
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21. Are you saying Congress disrespects and disregards Obama?
And has no desire to let him lead?

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:50 AM
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22. Are you saying they don't??? Remember last summer when Reid and
Pelosi both said concerning the HCR bills, essentially, 'Obama ain't the boss over me?' Remember that? Now, that everything is FUBR, they want to blame HE, he 'ain't the boss.'
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:57 AM
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26.  Leadership is something innate.
Some people instantly command attention and respect. I don't know what that quality is, but I do recognize its existence.
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:18 AM
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34. Obama is a leader, that is clear. But he has to believe in what he is leading
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 03:21 AM by Go2Peace
This is all classic, if you don't believe in the power of your ideas people recognize it. When was the last time we had a strong leading figure that was always compromising. Even Ghandi, who was passive, didn't compromise his base principles.

I thought the President was getting it for a while. Unfortunately it looks like someone may have convinced him he "can't do it" again.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:21 AM
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38. only 72% of the people support a public option (maybe it isn't enough?
CBS) A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:52 AM
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24. My Sentiments Exactly:
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 03:15 AM
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32. Naw, what was meant was there is no *monetary support", not enough money in it
Edited on Thu Feb-25-10 03:33 AM by Go2Peace
sorry, couldn't pass that one up, it was too easy (it is a joke, so don't accuse me of anything, I don't believe the President is gaining money from this OK?).

But seriously, there is plenty of support for the PO. I guess we must need more and better "convincing"?
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 08:59 AM
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3. History will vindicate
Edited on Wed Feb-24-10 09:00 AM by LatteLibertine
the Democrats if they will get it done and get it done right.

Of course the tendency for most is to take lobbyist money, and kick the can down the road so they can hopefully stay in office as long as possible.

Real HCR and real financial market sector reform would guarantee a Democrat would keep their seat.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:01 AM
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4. I don't like to use the words White House and bomb in the same post.
Call me crazy.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:27 AM
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11. Yeesh, its sad we are scared of the internet police under Obama.
Why is nothing happening the way I thought it would? Sigh.

I have to say that electing Obama is about the most disappointing thing I've gone through in my lifetime. I guess that is the advantage of low expectations and the disadvantage of high expectations.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:31 AM
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14. Yeah, but the word bomb is still a bad idea.
But I lived through two Clinton administrations, so I'm still on the fence as far as who is more disappointing.

Obama is a very close second though, and without HCR with a real public option, he will win first place by a mile.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:40 AM
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18. I wasn't expecting much from Clinton.
I'd have to say that overall, he did better than I thought, but then again, he didn't do anything earthshaking. His legacy as President was wiped out by Bush.
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rapturedbyrobots Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:52 AM
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40. NAFTA shook the entire western hemishpere. n/t
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:02 AM
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5. No, he thinks it doesn't have the votes to pass and it's not very important anyway.
Right both times.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:29 AM
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12. Maybe it doesn't have the votes to pass because he is telling them not to pass it.
I really wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:34 AM
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15. Nonsense. nt
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:37 AM
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16. His tepid "support" would be an influence I would think.
I've only seen excuses on why it won't pass from the White House crew, when it ought to have an easier chance of passing than the rest of the ugly HCR bill.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:52 AM
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25. You have no idea to what degree he supports the PO. You're only going
by assumptions, which is always a foolish thing to do.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:17 AM
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29. "I didn't campaign on a public option".
What more do you need?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:22 AM
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9. Um ..... call Congress maybe? NT
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 09:29 AM
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13. Did that ages ago.
I can do that again, but how do we contact the White House?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:35 PM
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31. You called them ONCE?
I have a teabagger "friend" who spends 6-8 hours a day calling and faxing Congress .... lying about where she lives .... beating them down.

I am NOT saying that WE need to start doing that ... but the teabaggers are kicking our butts on this particular matter.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 04:58 AM
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35. Frankly my Reps and Senators are pretty liberal so I'm not really worried about them.
Inouye signed and Akaka is more liberal than Inouye.

Its all the REST of the Senators that are messing up.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:12 AM
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27. I dont think the White House thinks there isn't public support for the Public Option
They can read polls, I think they dont care there is public support for it. They have made their deals with big Pharma and the Insurance industry.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:16 AM
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28. I wouldn't disbelieve it.
So much for transparency. What a crock.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-24-10 10:49 AM
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30. Who unrecs? And why do they hate caring for the sick properly? The selfishness is legend.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:15 AM
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36. The White House needs to get its head out of its ass.
For christ's sake, are they really that STUPID?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:19 AM
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37. No, they KNOW EXACTLY what they're doing, not unlike the Democrats who helped lead
us into the illegal invasion and occupation in Iraq in concert with the Corporate media.

FOLLOW THE MONEY! :grr:

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jonathon Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:29 AM
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39. There is support for a REAL public option

Not the sham non-public public option that was included in the House bill...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-25-10 08:58 AM
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41. They can't be that stupid
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