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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:48 PM
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Obama will deliver his Afghanistan war escalation speech before soldiers/cadets at West Point


Obama Will Use West Point as Backdrop to Present Afghan Strategy
by HELENE COOPER
November 25, 2009

WASHINGTON — President Obama will formally unveil his Afghanistan strategy on Tuesday night in a prime-time televised address before a group of cadets and soldiers at the United States Military Academy at West Point, White House officials said Wednesday.

In speaking at West Point, the oldest and arguably the most storied of the country’s service academies, Mr. Obama will be following a long tradition of presidents who sought to envelop significant policy initiatives with a cloak of military history and ritual.

President George W. Bush discussed his doctrine of preventive attack during a West Point speech in 2002. He then defended the doctrine six years later, again at West Point, after the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, a year ago, when he issued a pointed message that “we will do what is necessary to protect American troops and the American people.”

There had been speculation that Mr. Obama would reveal his latest strategy for Afghanistan in a speech from the Oval Office — a setting that brings with it the prestige and history of the American presidency. But such addresses can also come across as stark, with the president talking straight into a camera, lacking an audience to play off.

Still, he will have a tough job, especially among his allies. On Wednesday, the Center for American Progress, a liberal research organization that is usually supportive of the Obama White House, issued a statement suggesting five demands that Congress should make of the administration before providing any additional financing for the war in Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/26/us/politics/26afghan.html




Statement on Obama's Upcoming Decision on Afghanistan
November 25, 2009

Click on this link: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/11/cap_statement.html


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Obama will unveil Afghan troops move at West Point
By ANNE GEARAN and ANNE FLAHERTY
Associated Press
November 25, 2009

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama plans to announce a redrawn battle plan for Afghanistan, including what the military says could be a roughly 50 percent increase in U.S. forces, in a national address Tuesday night from the U.S. Military Academy.

The addition forces would come atop a record 71,000 U.S. troops in the country now and would represent the largest expansion since the war began eight years ago.

The president promised this week to "finish the job" begun eight years ago, and press secretary Robert Gibbs said Wednesday the announcement would include an exit strategy. But the surge in troops would be Obama's second since taking office, and liberal Democrats already are lining up against it, in part because of the also-surging cost — up to $75 billion a year.

Obama approved 21,000 additional troops for Afghanistan last spring, in what he said at the time was a wholesale rethinking of U.S. strategy for a war he said his predecessor had neglected. That brought U.S. troop force to an expected 68,000 by the end of this year. The actual figure is slightly higher now because of overlap between troops entering and leaving the country on regular rotations. The new troops Obama is expected to add would probably not begin to arrive until February or March.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqyaFh_efr-brDq0rMLF1hkop0tgD9C6VFKO0

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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:00 AM
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1. It gets worse by the minute. n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:05 AM
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2. Makes sense...
They are the ones who are making the most extreme sacrifices and, if reports are accurate, will be asked to invest even more. It's totally appropriate that he present his plan in their presence.

What did you expect - his address in front of a Code Pink convention?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:14 AM
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5. Gee, when George W. Bush did this, we called him out on using the troops as props.
:(
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:19 AM
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6. Perhaps you did.
Edited on Thu Nov-26-09 12:20 AM by jefferson_dem
And now you routinely equate Obama with his predecessor. So it goes...

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:33 AM
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10. NO, I don't think it's appropriate for ANY President to use the PROFESSIONAL Army ...
as a back-drop when ANNOUNCING troop INCREASES for WAR.

Why? Because these young Army Cadets are "the elite" of the up and coming Officer Corps. The majority of them either want a career in the Army or they want to use it as a stepping stone into executive/military contractor careers.

These men and women are "Professional Soldiers" not your average Private or Corporal who signs up for the poorly paid ENLISTED ranks so they can pay the bills or get their wives pre-natal care. These to be "ring knocker" Officers are going to cheer and act like this is the best thing since sliced bread.

I would be utterly disgusted if Bush had done this before a troop increase (Cadets at USA Military Academy), but I'm SADDENED BEYOND WORDS that President Obama is going to sink this low.

It's all about manufacturing consent.

I'd bet good money after seeing the young and hopeful faces of the Army Cadets behind Obama, MANY HERE will be cheer-leading us into this troop increase.

Like lambs to the slaughter. :puke:

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:45 AM
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11. Some of us will actually wait to hear him announce the plan before forming an opinion on it.
That much is true.

I'm not saddened at all. Quite the contrary. I am proud every day that we have this man as Commander-in-Chief. That will be even more true on Tuesday.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:58 AM
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12. Psst! The Plan has been leaked and the M$M is already working to manufacture consent. eom
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:24 AM
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7. Yes we did
Strange how what was wrong then is now right. I'm seeing it more and more, and it's disgusting.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 06:48 PM
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18. I will be waiting with bated breath
for all the people who disparaged George Bush for his wars for 8 years to do the same for this bullshit war in Afghanistan. I am pretty sure it will be in vain.

Glenn Greenwald had a great point in his blog about Greg Craig and Obama's worsening civil liberties record a few days ago and it applies here as well.

Don't he and his supporters owe George Bush and Dick Cheney a sincere apology for criticizing them all those years for these policies when, as it turns out, they were necessary and just all along?


I will be expecting those apologies starting on Tuesday.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 06:39 PM
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17. A Fifty PerCent INCREASE? Wow...that's bigger than the leaks said..
Amazing. I hope he can do the job in 10 years with that. I assume he will need more in incremental levels in the intervening years. With the unemployment rate for the young he probably will more than fulfill his headcount to kill civilians and find lots of "Gamers" who can use drones to do "collateral damage."
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:09 AM
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3. "Meet the new boss...."
You know the rest. :puke:

I'm never voting again. Fuck it!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:13 AM
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4. Don't give up! Vote for progressive democrats or "fill-in" a name for your vote?
No matter the odds, please don't give up your right to VOTE? :hi:
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:26 AM
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8. I'm Getting Ever Closer to Saying The Same Thing ...
... we have no business being in that war just as in Iraq. If you go to www.antiwar.com you will find article after article that says any further expansion of the war will make things worse.

If Obama was smart, he would withdraw right now and send the bill for the war's cost to Bush. If he expands it and increases taxes to pay for it, he will lose the election in 2012.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:27 AM
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9. "Waist-deep in the big muddy"?
Sometimes I think its a pity that Obama and the gang aren't about ten years older.

There is much they missed.

There is much they seem NOT to understand.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:09 AM
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14. Congressman Obey: Escalating war will "wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our economy"


Obama's "Finish the Job" Talk Sets Stage for Afghan Troop Surge
by John Nichols
November 24, 2009

Congressman David Obey, the Wisconsin Democrat who chairs the powerful House Appropriations Committee, bluntly declared that: "On the merits, I think it is a mistake to deepen our involvement."

Obey and Senator Carl Levin, D-Michigan, are proposing a war surtax on the wealthy to pay for additional troops. "If we have to pay for the health care bill, we should pay for the war as well," says the man who will have a significant say with regarding any move by Obama to expand the occupation. "The problem in this country with this issue is that the only people who have to sacrifice are military families and they've had to go to the well again and again and again and again, and everybody else is blithely unaffected by the war."

Obey is offering what could well be the most effective congressional challenge to Obama's plan. The appropriations committee chair argues that the expanded mission is simply unaffordable.

Surging more troops into Afghanistan will "wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our own economy," says Obey, who explains that if Obama goes for an expanded war: "There ain't going to be no money for nothing if we pour it all into Afghanistan. If they ask for an increased troop commitment in Afghanistan, I am going to ask them to pay for it."

.... Obey knows the numbers when it comes to budgeting.

And his warning is stark and necessary one.

Read the full article at:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/500486/obama_s_finish_the_job_talk_sets_stage_for_afghan_troop_surge

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newcriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 10:16 AM
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15. There will be an antiwar demonstration there at 6:30.
An informal coalition of anti-war groups is planning a protest outside West Point's Thayer Gate at the end of Main Street in Highland Falls, beginning at 6:30 p.m. Tuesday — 90 minutes before the president's address.

Michael Sussman of the Democratic Alliance wouldn't predict how many will show for the demonstration, but said this is an issue that crosses all political lines.

"Endless war is not going to do anything for this country," Sussman said.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091126/NEWS/911260323
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 12:20 PM
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16. Really, Really Sad.
Already reduced to searching for pre-screened friendly venues to announce his "decisions".

Chump Change.

Really sad when you think about what could have been.
"HOPE" my ass.
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