From his MOUTH: Obama admits that HE WON'T fucking QUIT on passing Health Care Overhaul

[FrenchieCat]

PRESIDENT'S WORDS: "And, yes, that is why we're going to fix the health care system -- (applause) -- a health care system that too often works for insurance companies better than it does for individual Americans.

And again, I didn’t take this on because it was easy. I got David Axelrod -- he does all the polls. He whispers in my ear, man, this health care thing is hard. (Laughter.) I am a amateur historian, so I know that seven Presidents starting with Teddy Roosevelt couldn't get this done. We understood this was going to be hard.
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I took it on because every single day, 15,000 Americans join the tens of millions who don’t have health insurance -- and 18 million -- 18,000 Americans die because of the lack of health insurance.

That's what we campaigned on. That's what we're working to get it done -– with Democrats and with independents and with Republicans. We want to bring down costs and end the worst insurance practices, and finally give every American a chance to have the security of quality, affordable health care.

I am not going to walk away from those fights. And I don't expect you will either. You've come this far.

you remember this. Nobody gave us a chance. This campaign was declared dead -- what -- 10 times. (Laughter.) You know, the same folks who are now writing about what next, and what's happened to the Obama -- these are the same folks who were writing about how he doesn’t stand a chance; how after New Hampshire, that was it. After Pennsylvania, that was it. Right? We went through this. And they were saying your faith was misplaced and you set your sights to high, and your hope is naïve, and Washington won't change. And now all of them are feeling like, see, we told you, Washington doesn’t change. And they're feeling kind of self-satisfied about the fact that we haven’t yet gotten health care done.

Well, let me tell you something. You didn’t listen to those voices then. Your voice proved them wrong. You proved that nothing can stop the power of millions of people who want to see an America that's living up to its values and its ideals. That’s what you did. And that’s what I’m asking you to do again. (Applause.)

This is an extraordinary moment. I want to remind you we don't quit. And I don't quit."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-dnc-fundraising-dinner

Any News media writing anything else on Obama's position on the Health Care issue are too busy bending over at the Teabagger convention (while comprising 1/2 of the 600 gathered) to notice that what Obama stated is clear. Thank you.

[Clio the Leo]

1. Ha ha! You TELL 'em Frenchie! NT

[Oregone]

2. Obama sounds angry when he says he wont fucking quit

Or were you paraphrasing for him?

Maybe you sound angry....

Quit or not, do what he may, there are two rooms full of morons that stand in the way, fumbling on a piece of shit bill.

[FrenchieCat]

3. he won't fucking quit.

got it?

[dflprincess]

6. Does this mean he's back to demanding a public option

or maybe Medicare for All? Because the bill coming out of the Senate is nothing but an insurance company bail out and the House bill is not a whole lot better.

If he really means it about reform - meaning we all have access to care, not "coverage" the he must not be supporting either one of these bills.

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[saracat]

17. If it doesn't cover everyone, we should kill the bill. The Senate Bill is garbage.

It only supports those who are currently denying me the access to care I paid for.

[dflprincess]

21. In other words, he's still just looking to pass anything and call it "reform"

even if all it does is embed the crooks who have been robbing us blind even deeper while doing nothing to actually provide Americans with access to care. So much for "keeping them honest".

[Jakes Progress]

52. You got it. nt

[Oregone]

9. Wont quit what?

Working getting anything through that can be claimed as a political victory? Or work on getting real reform through, no matter how many times congress votes against it?

Does it matter what his resolve is if the Congressional minions take a Cheeto break?

Why does this political rhetoric get you so furious?

[ClassWarrior]

12. Anything that can be claimed as a political victory or real reform?

That's the key question.

NGU.

[FrenchieCat]

13. What gets me angry are the lies by the saboteurs who aren't really interested

in anything beyond being able to say "I told you so" because them being right
is worth more than 30 million folks' possibly seeing a doctor before it's too late.

Most are folks who have health care Insurance, and/or live in Canada.

[Oregone]

14. Ah, those organized saboteur operatives. Professional James Bond shit, there

I could fill you in on my status next time you join me for brunch out on beautiful Vancouver Island.

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[Oregone]

18. Well, of course, professional saboteurs are latent homosexuals that enjoy anal stimulation

Its just nice you don't have to intellectually debate fair critics, but rather these horrendous, and, oh my, gay, paid operatives and foreigners.


You really should take a breather and be more careful of what you say. Offending the world crassly and throwing out wild accusations doesn't much get your point across.

[dflprincess]

22. We don't need a plan that may "possibly" (your word) allow more people to get care

We have that now.

What we need is a plan that WILL allow people to get the care they need.

[goclark]

55. Thanks Frenchie ~ I got it!

He made it crystal clear.

[grantcart]

4. The people who think the President is quitting are the same people who think

the fight is over when they take breaks at the end of each round.

[uponit7771]

5. AP seems more focused on being less accurate.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Of course. That's their job, it appears......

Just like the assholes on my television trash talking the unemployment numbers
because they weren't what they wanted; 10.1% is what they were hoping for!

[quiet.american]

7. Frenchie, you go, girl! nt

[TheKentuckian]

10. Good. After pretending to reform a broken system maybe we'll actually

work on resolving the issue rather than protecting the profits of the medical vampire complex and maintain a stupid employer based system that holds workers hostage.

[saracat]

15. Really? Is he gonna fight for a Public option that covers everyone?

Since I have just about run out of time anything less is unacceptable to me and many others. If this is blathering about the Senate Bill, it means nothing.

[saracat]

19. Do you seriously call the Senate Bill Health Care Overhaul? Really?

[quiet.american]

25. Since you asked -- yes. nt

[saracat]

30. Interesting definition of health care you have.

[quiet.american]

35. The feeling's mutual. nt

[ipaint]

20. How can he quit when he only showed up "fighting"

during the campaign.

The teabaggers are a diversion. They are nothing. The threat comes from from within not without.

[ohiodemocratic]

23. By health care overhaul, does he mean the Senate bill? Or a compromise with Republicans?

The question is not whether he will pass reform, but what kind of reform will pass.

[bvar22]

24. Fight.....?

What fight?
Where did the White House ever draw a line in the sand and say, "This far, and no further?"
THAT is what "fight' means.

Individual Mandates?
Public Option?
Anti-Trust Exemption?
De-funding Medicare?
Paying for Health Care by taxing the top 2%
"Cadillac" Tax?
Letting States design their own Single Payer Plans?

WHERE was the FIGHT?
I missed it.
All I saw was a steady backwards crawl from the lofty rhetoric of the campaign to the point of letting Joe Lieberman write the HCR Bill.
Not much of a fight.

I DID see some members of the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party threaten to fight, but they got steamrolled.

[jgraz]

41. They have not yet begun to fight!

They're thinking about getting around to it sometime in mid-April. Depends on what the polls say.

[bvar22]

45. The poll in Massachusetts was pretty clear.

* Would you favor or oppose the national government offering everyone the choice of a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans?

Favor 82%

Oppose 14%

Not Sure 4%
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010010320/poll-shouts-message-massachusetts-voters-were-sending

Forcing the Senate (Lieberman) Plan through Reconciliation WILL precipitate a blood bath in 2010 and 2012, but I get the feeling that the Corporate "Centrist" Democrats don't really care as long as their Corporate Bosses are happy.

The Democratic Party would be SMART to just back away from "Health Care Reform" in its current incarnation.....not even mention it in any public conversations.

Split off some of the "good" pieces like the Pre-Existing condition, the Anti-Trust exemption.
Propose them as clean, short, stand alone bills that can be read and understood.
Force them to the floor for a Roll Call vote, and let the Republican Party explain WHY they oppose these very popular reforms.

After that, propose opening up Medicare for those 55 and above who are unemployed and want to enroll...NOT as "Health Care Reform", but as an "Emergency Economic Rescue to a Vulnerable Population"....
And let the Republicans oppose THAT.
Once that door is opened, Single Payer is On The Way as wider populations DEMAND to be able to BUY Medicare.

But, you know, the Democratic Party Leadership already KNOWS this.
I believe that the "Centrist" Democratic Party Leadership is getting EXACTLY what they want.
The Kabuki Theater has been exceptionally well scripted, and well performed.
There was a time when I though they were going to actually throw the Working Class a crumb....but no.
These assholes (Centrist Democrats + Republicans) want IT ALL,
and they are going to TAKE it ALL.

[jgraz]

46. The 2006 election was pretty clear. The 2008 election was pretty clear.

Is our Democrats learning? I don't think so.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. Did ya stomp your feet really hard when you typed that? I'm getting a mental picture of you

stomping your feet really hard when you typed that. Did you stomp your feet really hard?

[FrenchieCat]

32. Why would you even give a shit?

Cause normally, it's not like you give a shit unless it's about you being right.

[Bobbie Jo]

51. *snort*

:rofl:

[Romulox]

38. (snort!) nt

[PurityOfEssence]

63. Some vintage satire here, a humble offering for a theme song...

Saddle up folks, it’s SING-ALONG TIME!

(Sung to the tune of "Home on the Range")

Oh give her her due with her victimized spew,
when that karma comes back into play...
Where never is heard an encouraging word,
and the skies are all cloudy and grey.

Home, home in a rage,
with a keyboard to slash at the prey
Oh, she's got all that juice for bombastic abuse
and inferiors plague her all day...

[asdjrocky]

27. Well, if he said it, it's got to be true.

Right?

[FrenchieCat]

28. Best to be the type who believed John Edwards all the way

to the bitter end, but question this guy at every turn.

See, the difference between me and you, is that I always knew who to believe....always have.

[BlueStater]

31. "See, the difference between me and you, is that I always knew who to believe....always have."

How nice. I hope your words don't come back to haunt you someday.

[saracat]

39. It is the issues that matter not the politician. Some haven't learned to separate.

And some never will.It is about the message, not the messenger.

[FrenchieCat]

40. Thus far, in the 7 years that I've been here, I'm good.

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[saracat]

44. I refuse to reengage in a primary debate. I did not "attack" either Kerry or Kennedy

but expressed disapproval of an action.In general with one exception, I usually support Kerry on the issues and did support Kennedy.But neither are perfect.Had Edwards or anyone else presented such a garbage piece of legislation, I would be expressing the same sentiment.As for judging a hypothetical, I have no answer for that.There is no way of knowing.

[asdjrocky]

34. He has lied and lied again and again to the American people

Maybe you didn't realize I stopped supporting Edwards when he dropped from the on Jan 30. Within a month of that time I was endorsing President Obama and writing several posts in support.

Yeah, I bought what two liars said, line hook and sinker.

Seriously, if Edwards is the best you can do then that's just pathetic.

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[Romulox]

37. Any advice for those of us who eschew faith based politics altogether?

:shrug:

[saracat]

42. I am a member of that congregation! No faith based politics for me!

People should take the pledge!:rofl:

[bvar22]

48. Like him or HATE him, Edwards was 100% correct about this:

"If you invite them (Health Insurance Industry/Pharma) to the table, they will eat all the food"---John Edwards


Obama should have heeded John's warning.

[The Wielding Truth]

29. This is my favorite excerpt from this speech concerning our part in his election.

"Well, let me tell you something. You didn’t listen to those voices then. Your voice proved them wrong. You proved that nothing can stop the power of millions of people who want to see an America that's living up to its values and its ideals. That’s what you did. And that’s what I’m asking you to do again."

He needs us to move and help ourselves. That's democracy!

It's time to plan national local demonstrations for health-care. All 50 states everyday until it is passed.

That's what he is asking from us. Letters and money and telling everyone within range that we need the bill passed. We want it fixed with at least a public option, but would prefer national health-care.

That's what we want. We have to make it happen.


Tea-baggers are few,but vocal. We are many. We can make a huge sound that can move mountains


Call your House of Rep and a call one House Rep. from your neighboring state to support your Rep.

Call both of your Senators.

Tell them to move now and pass the parts of health-care that will prevent the insurance companies

from not insuring those with a preexisting condition for an affordable premium,dropping an

insurance payee for developing an illness or condition,and refusing to pay for the entire amount

that was agreed to at the time of the policy was started.We worry about those suffering and dying

in other lands due to disaster and war. We owe it to support our neighbors and ourselves so we can

live without the hardship of insurance denial. It is wrong to pay taxes and support corporate wealth

and leave our own lives in peril.


Tell them that if all civilized nations in this world can provide systems of health care which insure the financial solvency of their citizens, we must also!

[jenmito]

47. I emailed Chuck Todd and asked him if he thinks healthcare is dead:

I asked him, "...Do you think it's (healthcare's) dead? That they won't get it together in the end?"

He replied, "no, not dead... but not until after the jobs bill passes senate"

So there ya go. A jobs bill won't take long to pass the Senate. :thumbsup:

[Bobbie Jo]

49. Kick, and....

Too late to rec.

Too many seem invested in this president's failure, and are almost giddy at the prospect of bad news.

Disgusting. :puke:

They aren't fooling anyone. If there is one character flaw that I cannot tolerate, it is someone who will pretend to fit in a "community", then bad-mouth the same community elsewhere.....Only to come back and act as though they're some long-lost friend.

I know people like this, and they have zero credibility with me.

[Cha]

50. Kick

[butterfly77]

53. They didn't hear him...

he will have to repeat it about 20 more times just like every other issue. Just like everything he said to the Republicons when he gave them their ass whipping.

Most of us have heard these things throughout the campaign and many act as though they have just heard it for the first time.

[firedupdem]

54. Too late to Rec but thanks for posting this...

Nope..he won't fucking quit, and I appreciate that my president is moving forward and not allowing the naysayers to kill the bill.

Thanks for posting this Frenchie...I've been out of the loop lately.

[mdmc]

56. i bet Obama will sign the hcr bill into law if given the chance

:shrug:

[rug]

57. Isn't the Super Bowl Sunday?

[Jakes Progress]

58. What will you post if he fucking quits on it.

First it was Health Care. Then Health Care Reform. Now it's Health Care Overhaul. What's next? Health Care Discussion Committee Proposal?

[Jakes Progress]

62. Crickets?

Seriously. What kind of post will you put on the boards if he, as you put it "fucking quits", on this?

If he pulls this one out of a hat (serious HCR) I will be on here celebrating and admitting that my cynical ways have been proven wrong. If meaningful HCR putters away to a bunch of minor directives and to a profit waterfall for the insurance companies, will you admit that your boundless optimism has been proven wrong?

[ProgressOnTheMove]

59. Exactly all the hearsay is getting silly now, believe it when you hearit or see it.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

60. I think it's great some posters live in a reality where we can pass a public option in my one we ..

we have to pass something or the whole idea of health reform will not be revisited for a generation. Our only slim option now after MA is to pass the bill and wok on it later, but be assured any chance of lower costs will be off the table if we don't take this shot and chase after a bill that won't pass. There is a tiny glimmer of daylight to pass this bill we take that glimmer or it goes dark for very, very long time. Pres. Obama has said he didn't have to tackle health care when it is extremely hard to pass but he di it because it's the right thing to do, it isn't everything we cold dream of but it is something to work on.

[PurityOfEssence]

61. The big question is: what's it going to be hauled over, and what'll be left to celebrate?

Enough jettisoning has occurred already; it's better than nothing, and it'll undoubtedly help many, but it doesn't help EVERYBODY, and it's a colossal mess that will sustain the basest version of the commodification of human life in all its mercantile glory.

There was something very hollow in the pronouncement that this wasn't just to prove a point or score a legislative victory. It was one of those boneheaded moments like John Tower in his Senate confirmation hearings where, when confronted with his having danced naked on a piano at a party, he responded: "I am a man of some discipline."

What price victory? How Pyrrhic must it be? At what point is it no longer a victory, and is the clumsy maneuvering and wholesale surrendering of important points a harbinger of further window-dressing to come? Not only will the final resolution of the health care legislation be the LAST time we get to address this issue for awhile, it'll also be a benchmark against which the entrenched monied interests measure future feeble attempts at redress. The whole process is, in fact, a DISASTER of forthrightness: a weak and gasping foe sees us, at flood-tide of our power, apologetically asking for a mere crumb by-your-leave, and caving in on every major point. This President literally avoided standing up and asking for ANYTHING specific, and when tacit points of supposed importance came up, he ducked those. This is campaigning, not leadership.

Conservatives RESPECT power and aggression, and they smell blood when they see limpness like this; that's why they hate liberals: liberals accept that they might be wrong and that others deserve to exist. Conservatives are disgusted by this; to them, it's weakness and rallies them like nothing else. This kind of flaccid pandering and accomodation has literally revived them on the canvas like smelling salts, a shot of adrenalin, some testosterone, oxygen and a truckload of money.

It's literally flabbergasting to see rank appeasement done so clumsily: had the Republicans been invited in to the drafting process, they wouldn't have had a justification to bellyache about being shut out of the process. Why even BOTHER being bipartisan or mild if one gives them the obvious excuse to claim being trampled?

I simply don't buy that a more aggressive approach wouldn't have been more successful. Hell, they call the guy a socialist even when he studiously avoids making any real stand beyond blithe abstract sloganeering, how much worse could it have been to have gone after single-payer and negotiated it to some kind of hybrid wickedness that included a public option? As it was, the public option was thrown out before even being tried, and the smarmy distancing from ever having lauded it reeks to the rooftops.

What will be left when this "victory"--if even THAT can be procured--finally reveals itself?