K&R if you wish McCain and Palin had won in 2008

[AllTooEasy]

From the criticism Obama has been getting from the DU, I expect a lot K&Rs.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. *Crickets*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

[tekisui]

2. This is dense.

Can you not see the difference between wishing for mccain and criticizing bad policies?

This place is damn nutty today.

[AllTooEasy]

27. I do see the difference...

I'm pointing out the fact that some DUers can't.

Maybe not you specifically, but have you seen some of the posts lately?

The don't act like it, they specifically SAY that Obama and the Dems are no better for America than McCain/Palin and a Rep Congress.

Really? Then K&R this post so we can know who you are.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

43. it is getting fucking ridiculous. n/t

[Jamastiene]

48. It's always nutty.

It's just a little nuttier right around the holidays. Some of the craziest shit ever has happened on DU during the holidays.

[donco6]

3. When someone deserves criticism, they deserve it.

Couldn't care less if you don't approve.

[AllTooEasy]

8. he DESERVES criticism for sure, but folks are talking about...

kicking the Dems out of Congress in 2010. Unless there's another major progressive party waiting in the wings, that seems a bit drastic and unproductive.

[Splinter Cell]

13. As if you could do better.

:eyes:

[donco6]

49. Oh fucking please.

That's just as lame as the OP.

[LeftishBrit]

4. Big UNREC! Was this intended as an emetic? I mean - urrrrggggghhhhhhhh!

For the sake of the entire world - NO!

[AllTooEasy]

11. emetic - no; but eye opening to the alternative - yes

[vaberella]

12. Well there are many posts saying Obama is Bush 3 or Bush-Lite---so it's a valid post.

You have your choice between McCain and Bush 3. Currently the board is giving me the vibe that it's all about McCain.

[YOY]

5. I assume you think everyone must be either a 'cheerleader' or a 'hater'?

Newsflash is that some of us are objective about things...some of his work has had a good impact or is at least a good start and some of his accomplishments signal that he really needs to stop acting like "Republican Lite".

"All too easy" to be a monochromatically viewed asshole who most likely has gotten every thing he voted for in the past 8 years and now feels like "fucking with the opposition."

[AllTooEasy]

18. Nope, but consider the alternative reality

Obama DESERVES criticism:

Don't ask, Don't tell
Geither's involvement on anything!
Land Mine ban.
Where's the green economy?
etc.

But are we really that upset/disappointed with the Dems/Obama that we honestly think:

1) there would be no difference if the 2008 outcome was different.
- Some DU folks have actually said this!
2) life would be better in 2010 if the Dems lost Congress
- again, some DU folks have actually said this!

Maybe not you specifically, but there seems to be a lot of DU folks who have taken criticism to abandonment.

That was my intended msg.

[FarLeftFist]

6. Worst thread ever.

[AllTooEasy]

33. I'll take that as an UnRec - thank goodness

[GodlessBiker]

7. What an idiot.

[AllTooEasy]

34. I'll take that as another UnRec - sweet

[opihimoimoi]

9. The crits are from GOP trolls and assholes who come to stir divisiveness

This President makes them PUB corp whores look like shit...they are insanely jealous to the point of sputtering babble shit

[Techn0Girl]

10. The "lesser of 2 Evils" Argument is always a Bogus Choice....

If Obama can not or will not end CIA torture prisons then he is no better then McCain in my eyes.

If Obama can not or will not bring our troops home then he is no better then McCain in my eyes.

If Obama can not or will not stop throwing money at the wealthy bankers then he is no better then McCain in my eyes.

If Obama can not or will not give us real - REAL - health care reform then he is no better then McCain in my eyes.

If Obama can not or will not actively seek to end discrimination against our gay brothers and susters - in marriage, in the military and in the government then he is no better then McCain in my eyes.

[FarLeftFist]

16. Lesser of 2 evils is all we ever have to choose from in our political system.

Should we choose the MORE evil of 2 evils?

[Techn0Girl]

20. Maybe we should...

Maybe things have got to get even worse before people really get up , turn off TIVO, and start to make a REAL difference.

So maybe we need to let things get worse - before they'll get better

[CJCRANE]

25. The Republicans were probably relieved that they lost.

They couldn't fix their own mess, that's for sure.

Now they get to spout their talking points with none of the responsiblity.

[FarLeftFist]

26. Seriously, how much worse do you think things can get?

I think we are at that point. Let's concentrate on making society better. Haven't we all learned from Bush what happens when you pick the more evil candidate. Complete fucking meltdown of civilized society.

[AllTooEasy]

23. Unfortunately yes to some degree, but don't forget about the Greens!

[Cha]

29. Yes, it's obvious you would rather have had

mcpalin in right now. This thread is for you.

[treestar]

39. You see things too much in black and white

And are going to be miserable until you learn not to.

[AllTooEasy]

41. McCain/Palin would have...

Expanded the prisons

Sent 60-80 thousand more trips to Afghanistan already

Given the bankers more money, shot down Cash for Clunkers, made no plans to let the Bush tax decreases expire for Americans making over $250K, vetoed the stimulus, and never created a new home buyer's tax credit.

shot down any - ANY - form of health care reform and/or given insurance companies more tax relief

and God knows what other offenses.

As for the LGBT community's concerns, no difference.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. McCain would have probably kicked the bucket from the stress

It would be President Palin.

[FarLeftFist]

17. She would have gone rogue. President Pelosi?

[DrDan]

15. does the criticism make you uneasy? or do you happen to agree with the Patriot Act continuation

and are you content that we do not as yet have healthcare reform?
and do you support secret back-room deals with big pharma?

It is either that, or you must regret not having McCain as president.

[AllTooEasy]

24. Answer: I royally disagree. The point I'm trying to make is...

...there's criticism and then there's abandoment.

Some DU folks have ACTUALLY said:

a) things would not be any different if McCain won in 2008
b) Dems losing in 2010 would be a good thing.

Huh?! That's where I'm getting at.

[DrDan]

28. well - you must agree that some things would not be different

right?

and there are some Dems that should be replaced.

right?

[CJCRANE]

31. Everything might have been different. The neocons didn't deserve one more day in power. nt

[AllTooEasy]

37. Some things - yes. Some Dems yes.

But keep in mind the entire picture. Actually, don't think about the whole picture if McCain had won. It might give you a stroke. I'm having one no@#%$^SREGS%#^U%#DFGGFDA143%@$

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. Words fail me, so I'll just use a picture

[Milo_Bloom]

21. Looks like they did.

[FarLeftFist]

22. Actually if McCain and Palin did win........

McCain would have kicked the bucket from stress, Sarah wouldn't be able to stop Going Rogue, we may have had President Pelosi and VP Harry Reid. And the media thinks Obama is a Liberal.

[AllTooEasy]

30. So far, no K&Rs to my post. That's a relief! For a week, I've been worried about the DU

I like the posts from the critical supporters, but where are all the Obama haters now?! Show yourselves mother fuckers!!! K&R this you cowards!

Obama DESERVES criticism. I have my list of offenses and incomplete works. I'm sure you have yours. I still support him, because Holy Fucking Feces, have you seen the other side?!

Every time I get the slightest temptation to switch, good ole Keith Olbermann shoots that wayward feeling to hell.

[FarLeftFist]

36. There's no switching allowed.

Your either a republican or an anti-republican. Plus they don't want you, especially if you can't pass their "purity" test. It's not just Democrat vs. Republican, it's Everyone vs. a religious RW political propaganda party that wants you to obey and comply to their way of thinking on not just national policy issues but social and ethical issues as well. You don't have to make up your own mind, they will make it for you. They are anti-progressives, and they love class warfare.

[AllTooEasy]

40. K&R...you are right on the money FarLeftFist!

You should post this.

[RedCloud]

32. That's it. off with their heads. They don't know how to use them anyway.

I mean Pale face and McInsane born in Panama.

[HopeOverFear]

35. What, no recs? I'm shocked

shocked, I tell you!

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. K&R!

The progressive thing to do would have been to vote for them instead of Obama.

[okieinpain]

42. I do, so all of these folks who want the remaking of the united

states in 12 months would have something to bitch about.

[BeyondGeography]

44. A straightforward OP, and lots of evasive, qualified bullshit in response

[KansasVoter]

45. Wow, are you an idiot!

[KansasVoter]

46. Why is shit like this not locked admins?

[AllTooEasy]

50. read some of my other posts on this subject before...

just giving a knee jerk response to a headline.

[Jamastiene]

47. Good luck with that.

Just because someone disagrees with President Obama from time to time does not mean they would rather have McCain/Palin...not by a long shot.

[AllTooEasy]

51. I agree

I'm not talking about the critical supporters, but the ones who just want to abandon the guy and the Dems. That's batshit crazy when compared to the alternative. Some DUers have actually suggested, no make that stated, that an Obama 2008 loss would have resulted in the same WH...on EVERYTHING.