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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:12 PM Original message |
Just an old Vet's take on DADT and gays in the military... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. This veteran agrees. |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So does this one! |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. As does this vet. |
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Ernesto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. me too! |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 10:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. As does this one! |
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HawkerHurricane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. I'll throw another "Me Too" in. |
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JohnnyLib2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. And this one. |
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bluescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. And another veteran says, "Hell yes!!!" |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
47. So does this gay veteran |
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AnotherDreamWeaver (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
70. and this one too... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
62. I'll salute that. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. ...and this one too. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree. The US was able to gain it's independence b/c of a well known gay general from Prussia. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thank you, for your OP, Ras. |
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kmac3 (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. Great Article |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. Great post ras! K&R. n/t |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. If they can't stand up to each other, how can they stand up to al-Qaeda? n/t |
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mstinamotorcity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. I am not a veteran |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. One need not be a vet to see what's right and what's wrong... |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. long overdue |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. Curiously, one of my only gay experiences was when my First Sergeant, drunk, sneaked in |
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anachro1 (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. Atta boy |
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northofdenali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. Thank you. |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
14. rasputin1952 thanks for sharing the truth |
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Voice for Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. that's a great theory |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. As a non-military member of a multi-generation military family, I agree |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. Recommend |
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The Wizard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. roger |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
21. Thank you for saying this so well. rec. n/t |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. Great post, Rasputin. When I saw and heard Admiral Mullen respond to Senator Sessions |
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offog (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
86. Wasn't Admiral Mullen great? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I think he did an excellent job, and with the backing of Powell |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-03-10 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
23. Another Vet in agreement |
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billancourt (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
24. dadt |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Welcome to DU |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 06:13 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Welcome to DU... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Welcome to DU |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
26. I'm not a veteran, and I'm not gay. . .but I wholeheartedly agree and thank you for your honesty |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. I'm not gay either, but I am a human being... |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. What you realized does you credit. I hope the military helps us to get more of the U.S. to-- |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Rant on!!! |
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MindandSoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
81. Does anyone know if there is a group of "heterosexual for gay rights?" |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 05:16 AM Response to Original message |
27. Another vet in solidarity. It's about time to realize that gays in the military |
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era veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 06:00 AM Response to Original message |
28. This vet agrees |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
30. You know that this vet agrees |
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Christa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
32. K & Highly rec'd |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
33. Rec'd! nt |
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euphoria12leo (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:05 AM Original message |
Thank you |
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euphoria12leo (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
35. Thank you |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
38. Can I recommend this thread only ONCE? |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
40. Everyone in my squad got a fair shake |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. There's only one question that may be ask of anyone who serves. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
42. The Right is putting forth an argument that proves they don't know about the military |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Generally speaking, the military is known for it's sloth-like pace in |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Sloths are quick compared to some of the technological changes the military does |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I know what you mean... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. I never really liked 105s for some reason... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. All the arguments are fallacious. |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I remember this... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. That 'argument' didn't last too long. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Yes, you're absolutely right |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. ... |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Old spy stories are always good... |
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Puppyjive (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
44. This vet concurs |
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Glorfindel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
45. Thank you, fellow veteran, for saying it just right! |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
52. Of Course, it's more than just in combat that the absurdity of DADT has become apparent, and-- |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I've always held Chickenhawks as traitors... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. Excellent rant, Ras. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
54. I Agree With Most Of Your Argument, But Your Last Sentence Is Ridiculous |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. It was the military that led on integration, under the orders of ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Deleted message |
Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
79. Interesting. I Guess You Can't Say That The Military Has a Problem With Bigotry |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. It's spotty. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. I Can't Deny the Rules On Paper |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Well, all I can say in answer is |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I Certainly Agree With That. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
55. My take has always been that any Armed Forces which feel threatened by "teh" Gays.... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
63. +100 |
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Permanut (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
64. Well said, Rasputin |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
68. This veteran agrees too nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
71. This is simply more exploitation to keep the civilian exploitation going :: profits involved |
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Crowman1979 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
73. If abolishing DADT gets rid of the fundies, then I'm all for it! |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Indeed |
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KeepItReal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
77. Roger that. |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. Damn! Too late to rec! |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I'll co-sign you on the rec I gave it yesterday |
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NanceGreggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Thanks - and I'll co-sign a "rec" for you in future! |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-04-10 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
83. Thanks for saying it |
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