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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:29 PM
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The Dem Base And Health Reform
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/the-dem-base-and-health-reform


The Dem Base And Health Reform

Jonathan Chait



Since House Democrats remain fairly seized with terror at the political ramifications of passing health care reform, it's worth stepping back and thinking clearly about the Democrats' predicament. The November elections look bad for three basic reasons. First, the Republican base is extremely energized, for reasons that were probably inevitable due to Democrats running all three branches of government, in an era when Republicans have very effective communication media for whipping up their base. Second, independents are highly skeptical, which was also mostly inevitable when the party took power just after the economy began a free-fall.

The third problem, which has received little attention, is the demoralized Democratic base. The elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts featured terrible turnout by core Democrats, who perceive the Congress they elected as ineffectual. The best chance to reverse that perception would be to pass health care reform, which could help persuade the significant chunk of Americans who think the bills don't go far enough that the party has made significant progress on the issue. It would also help to pivot to issues like financial regulation where Democrats are fighting unpopular interests rather than cutting deals with them.

But Democrats have not given sufficient attention to the potential downside of failing to enact health care reform. Sam Stein reports:

Everyone, meanwhile, is gradually moving to the recognition that the worst thing the Democratic Party could do, would be nothing at all. As Jeff Liszt, a Democratic pollster at the firm Anzalone Liszt Research, told a conference organized by Families USA on Friday: "I really see it as existential threat for Democrats if they fail to get health reform through."

This is a big, big deal. If the Democrats had decided not to take on this issue, they may have been spared some backlash. But now that they have passed a comprehensive bill in each chamber of Congress, to let reform die because the two Democratic-controlled bodies couldn't work out their differences would be an act of criminal neglect. The overwhelming sentiment among Democrats, I predict, would go from the current ennui to an active desire to punish Congressional incumbents. I suspect that's what Liszt means by "existential threat."

I want to be clear about this. There is a perennial tendency by activists in both parties to bluster about retribution if the party fails to heed the maximal demands of the base. Elected officials almost always do well to ignore it. In this case it's deadly serious. I don't think anybody in Washington has begun to consider the scale of the blowback from the base Democrats will face if they punt from the opponent's one yard line.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:33 PM
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1. Dems really do need to get a public option through
and then go for single payeer. Ignore Republicans and get on with it.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:38 PM
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2. Absolutely! Called my Congressman yesterday and encouraged him to...
...rise to the challenge Pres. Obama expressed in the State of the Union - they have the answer, and know it!
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:43 PM
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5. Tell it sister.


I will too.

:thumbsup:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:47 PM
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6. I called mine and he supports a public option
and a single payer
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:50 PM
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7. ^5
:fistbump:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:02 PM
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9. Mine does too but I said that it's not enough to passively support it...
They have to FIGHT for it - loudly and in front of the cameras!
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:39 PM
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3. It is a big deal and it needs to be passed asap.
The idea of losing any health care reform is something I don't think many would want to see.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 01:39 PM
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4. Yes it is deadly serious.
This is the line in the sand for a large chunk of Democratic supporters. Any political strategist who believes otherwise is nuts.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:01 PM
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8. I have a DLC POS as a Representative (and two DINOs as Senators), so I really do not have any
"representation" in DC.

Trying to influence these cretins is hopeless. I can only hope they are primaried out and, if not, fall in the general election.

Finally, I would not say that the Democrats are "running all three branches of government' as Chait states in the article. They may have larger numbers, but it is clear that real Democrats are not in charge of the agenda or the legislative efforts.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 02:45 PM
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10. The Senate plan will NOT save them eom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 05:37 PM
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11. And how do you know that? You just hope that's so. nt
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:57 PM
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19. Read the polls much?
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 10:18 PM
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12. If you're going to go to the hoop, go strong. Dems tried to finesse this one and
got rejected. You don't get points for driving and coming up empty.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:18 PM
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13. They "punted" last winter and lost all credibility -- Nothing will salvage their screw up
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:07 AM
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17. 1
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:11 AM
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18. goddamm right!
seriously if they think that passing the Senate bill is what people want they are DELUDED.
They WILL pay if they pass it without MAJOR concessions to appease supporters of real healthcare reform.
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ohiodemocratic Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:20 PM
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14. Article written by Jonathan Chait, Iraq war supporter from the beginning
Edited on Tue Feb-02-10 11:30 PM by ohiodemocratic
Some judgment. He's hated liberals ever since they (including Glenn Greenwald) reminded him over and over how he was a cheerleader for this disaster.

12-16-2002: ""RECENTLY, THE PROSPECT sponsored a debate on Iraq. Interestingly, both teams were ostensibly liberal Democrats. Arguing for a U.S. invasion were Jonathan Chait, a Prospect alumnus and author of a recent New Republic cover piece on the liberal case for war, and Kenneth Pollack, a former CIA analyst, National Security Council staffer under Clinton and author of The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq. Opposing invasion were Bill Galston, a former Clinton and Gore adviser and a leading theorist of the Democratic Leadership Council "

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-856744/The-unconvincing-case-for-war.html
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-02-10 11:59 PM
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15. Health care reform
Edited on Wed Feb-03-10 12:00 AM by LatteLibertine
would be the best thing for the United States and ultimately I think history would vindicate the Democrats.

If they want to be sure to remain in office they should champion and implement real meaningful financial sector reform. The bail out started a fire rhetoric won't quench. Any politician, D or R that is perceived as a Wall Street flunky will be out of a job come election time.

I hope the Republicans oppose it as vigorously as they have health care reform.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-03-10 12:06 AM
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16. perhaps we can just give a billion dollars to community health centers
and be done with this shitty bill..

Everyone can use CHC - it is real access to medical treatment.

No need to pay off big pharma and the death panels..
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