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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:31 PM
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Dear Mr. President, Let me be frank and just say......
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 10:21 PM by FrenchieCat
here's what you are dealing with;

Folks who believe you to be the reincarnation of Kunta-Kin-te, the Mighty Malicious Mandingo,
Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon and anyone else considered scary, murderous and
authoritative all rolled into one,
and that you are now in a place of power and getting ready to administer the Big-Payback.....
soon.

They believe that every crime committed by someone who is a minority, means that you are a criminal.
Same folks who when they think of OJ Simpson, somehow also think of you.
Those people that didn't believe you had a valid opinion in reference to Prof. Gates' arrest,
because hey, you kind of are Prof. Gates, more or...
less.


Folks who have decided to believe that at some point in their past,
they experienced a President who did exactly as they decided at the exact time that they
determined was the right time,
regardless of any context about....
anything.


You are not that kind of President (as one has never existed),
and so you are a failure in their eyes. After all, they have been demanding what they
wanted since last January, and if you check your watch, you are half past....
late.


These same folks decided that the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War are interchangeable,
and that anything said about the Iraq war can now be said about this war.
Fuck the fact that those New York Towers are no longer there,
but know that as far as they are concerned, if another attack happens,
it will be your fault, but that's then, and this is....
now.

These folks don't recall that all but one congressperson voted to put us in Afghanistan;
and so somehow, if you don't pull our troops out like yesterday, all of it is your fault,
cause it's your war, cause they say so, and you know they know....
and now you have disappointed these folks, who obviously didn't care enough about you
to have ever listened to what you were saying about Afghanistan on the campaign trail,
and to be frank, they won't listen now, cause they don't really care what you think,
if it's not what they think....
presently.

A media, who would probably relish if harm came to you,
cause that would be a big story to them, and they like that sort of stuff,
cause it would really give them something to do; reporting on the horrendous, tragic and shocking.
Of course, then, you would become the best President that ever was, although some will say,
you were only there for 10 months, and that wasn't long....
enough.

A media who one minute was supporting the Iraq war, pimping it literally,
while overlooking all of the fucked up things that Bush did and didn't do,
and the next minute, they have been on your ass,
like white on rice, about every fucking thing that you had said or done,
or not said or haven't done, or whatever....
fits.

Same Media who right now are "in"to publicizing how terrible the Afghanistan war is,
unless, of course if you decided to end that war too,
and then the Afghanistan War would become the most important war in the whole wide history of the fucking world,
and 9/11 would become a tragedy once again that requires you to keep it from happening ever again,
and Dick Cheney and his daughter would be shown on television each and every....
day.

A media that holds you to your promise to close Gitzmo, although they forget that congress cut your funding for it,
because what is important to them is that you didn't keep your promises...although at the same time,
the media have decided that 9/11 is important still, but only in New York,
in reference to the big bad terrorists who will have a trial there, and of course that's your fault.
Those terrorists (and yes, they are really you, and you are really them)
have decided to espouse their philosophy on the United States,
which we aren't supposed to be aware of, but who cares?
what matters is that this is your decision, and of course, as far as the media is concerned, it is a fucked up one....
anyway.

I just wanted you to know that yes, you are dealing with a lot of fucked up stuff,
and you have a lot of different personalities coming at you every hour of the day,
and most of them earnestly believe themselves to be much, much smarter, better read, braver,
bold and decisive, wise beyond their experience, and more clued in then you.
They are superior, and have seen it all, and done it all, and know it all.....
they say.

And then there are folks like me, and perhaps I may even be the only one....
currently.

We are the folk(s) that remember that we have never had a President in our lifetime (or in history) that did everything we wanted him to do; not even close, and not even in 4 years, let alone 10 months.

We are folk(s) who see the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan and refuse to mush the two wars together so we can have an excuse to give you a hard time in trying to come up with a way out,
without us tying your hands behind your back and pushing you onto the tightrope, and then jeering you every step of the way, with the media in tow, loving it, every step of the way.

We are also the folk(s) who don't believe that you are the reincarnation of terrible monsters,
nor do we think you are a corporatist thug who doesn't give a shit about the people.
We believe that you care, but that you are walking that fine line, with the media on your ass,
and everyone else who only reads the headlines and "Opinion pieces" cultivated to build negative sentiments against......
you.

We are watching what you do, but not trying to do so under a magnifying glass, cause that's not helpful to anyone, especially us.

We are the ones who appreciate the changes that you bring, understanding that this change is not all encompassing, and that it will be slow, difficult and requires us in the equation, but not necessarily always jabbing you with a stick.

and since we have 3 more years, we are willing to allow you to finesse this bunch of shit,
without commenting every fucking time you scratch your ass.

What we are not are the folks who live and die by polls, worry about the next election the day after the last one, or run around with our head in our hands cause our hair is on fire, or who don't have any faith in anything except for each and every headline and story that builds a case against you.

We are not the ones who one minute say you should stand for principle, and the next minute analyze everything that you said and do through a political prism. We are not in the "Wish it was Kucinich or Hillary or Howard Dean" crowd. We are not living in an unachievable past nor do we have our eyes closed while lamenting about a dark future.

We may not like everything you do, or even everything you say, but then, we weren't expecting to be in agreement with you round the clock. Of course, when you really piss us off, we get emails out to you, and we try to figure out an effective constructive way to make you better without attempting to publicly undermine you, because we know that you are who we will be working with for at least 3 more years.

We are your realistic supporters, and we are out there (although it may only be me).
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:34 PM
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1. You are far from the only
one, Frenchie, but you have the way to write it all down.

Thank you.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:35 PM
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2. How many Afghans were involved in the 9-11 plot? Zero, nada, zilch!
A reader's comments regarding Obama's Afghan surge:

mcoyote November 24th, 2009 8:53 am

Oh... but, but ,but it is the rights of women that Obama cares about.

In 1978 the Afghan government of Mohammed Daoud Khan moved against the leading Afghan opposition political party, the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA). A leader of the party, Mir Akbar Khyber, was murdered and most of the leadership of the party were arrested during his funeral (reportedly at the instigation of the CIA). In response, the remainder of the PDPA staged an uprising which won power in April of 1978. The party immediately published a series of reforms which echoed the failed attempts at reform in Afghanistan going all the way back to the overthrow of the "reformist King", Amanullah Khan, in 1929.

Within days, the CIA began to organize and fund the reactionary and Islamist "opposition forces" in the countryside of Afghanistan, who had already been the fundamental barriers to reform for over a century. This was 2 years BEFORE the Soviets intervened in Afghanistan. Zbigniew Brzezinski has openly bragged that the purpose of the U.S. operations was to FORCE Soviet intervention.

The issues on which the CIA organized were the PDPA's Land Reform and the elimination of debts in the countryside (both of which attacked the power of the rural "warlords"), religious freedom (or the elimination of Sharia Law), and, most important of all, the granting of equal rights for women (which had also been central to the overthrow of Amanullah in 1929).

For the first time in Afghan history, a woman - Dr. Anahita Ratebzad, had become a member of the ruling Revolutionary Council. Less than one month after the uprising, Ratebzad wrote a famous May 28, 1978 New Kabul Times editorial which declared: "Privileges which women, by right, must have are equal education, job security, health services, and free time to rear a healthy generation for building the future of the country ... Educating and enlightening women is now the subject of close government attention."

In response, the CIA distributed leaflets throughout Afghanistan with Dr. Ratebzhad's face displayed prominently on them.

Obama must not have any sense of irony and his "moral high ground" sits lower than the Marianas Trench. The Taliban was created out of whole cloth by the U.S., hatred of women's rights and religious freedom were the pillars of that creation, and the hand wringing now, concerning those "poor Afghan women", is light years beyond hypocrisy.

SIMPLE FACT- US INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN IS ILLEGAL

The invasion of Afghanistan was not legitimate self-defense under article 51 of the Charter because the attacks on September 11 were criminal attacks, not "armed attacks" by another country. Afghanistan did not attack the United States.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/11/24
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. I gotta disagree with your fundamental premise
The Taliban, in Afghanistan and of Afghanistan, were tolerant of bin Laden's gang. They aided and abetted. They were a form of de facto government in a country without a better one.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Since the 9-11 plot was hatched in Hamburg
why didn't the US bomb that city?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
63. It was also worked on in the U.S.
It is Afghanistan that they could have a long term base in.



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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:57 PM
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11. I agree with you on this one Stinky!!
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:26 PM
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21. Does that make you feel better about our Afghan occupation?
Believing in fairy tales like that?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Hahahaha
You clearly don't read many Stinky The Clown posts!

:rofl:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:13 PM
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29. I read some, like most of them.
I'll be the first to admit that most of the time I have a bad "read" on people here though. :D
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
62. That argument was there when Bush got us in
Yet 80% of the public was gung ho for it at the time.

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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #2
78. Was the ruling Taliban regime in Afghanistan
consist of outsiders? I thought they were mostly all Afghani's.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:37 PM
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3. "water off a duck's back"
I think Obama flicks off all the crticism and does what he thnks is right. Sign of a good president.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:38 PM
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4. Well stated position. Here is my problem with Afghanistan - it can't be won.
We know that from what the Russians went through. We know what happened in Vietnam.

We did what we did after 911. I can handle why we did it (though in principle I am anti-war). But continuing this is just going to lead to more deaths, and the outcome won't be any different in 5-10-15 years than if we just get out of there now.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:54 PM
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8. I agree. But I also believe that we will have to finesse our way out of there.....
because it isn't a question of victory...
it is a question of political wherewithall
to undo what was done in a way that is sane
from various points of view.....and that wasn't ever
gonna be by Barack Obama deciding to announce
no more troops 10 months in. It took 8 years,
and it will take some work (just like it has taken in Iraq)
to get us out of there without us looking like the
fools that we have been all along.
That's Obama's job...to get that done.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:57 PM
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12. How many deaths will be finessed? Each death that occurs in Iraq or Afghanistan going
forward is a needless tragedy. Hell, America for the most part doesn't even realize that we are fighting these so-called wars.

I just watched the credit card/banking mess episode of Frontline on PBS. The multiple messes we are now involved in just blows my mind - I am incredibly pissed off about all of it...so frustrating.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. You are not the only one frustrated.....
but to act as though Barack Obama is not only the Messiah,
but also a Saint,
and to heap everything unto him as though we elected
a dictator with unseen powers that he doesn't even know about
is as frustrating as what you speak of.

In the process of working towards undoing some of what has been done,
I might lose some of my hope,
and yes, I might even lose my patience,
but I ain't about to lose my mind for the sake
of conveniently finding a whipping boy.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. don't worry - I am not losing my mind...and I didn't/don't have Obama on a pedestal.
Just very, very, very frustrated.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #19
41. I'm sure he is too.....frustrated, that is.....
But still, we keep going, cause the clock hasn't run out,
as far as reasonable minds are concerned.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:42 PM
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61. 21st Century Technology though
And there is going to be an exit strategy.

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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #4
79. The Russians (actually Soviets) had a different problem
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 11:15 PM by Garam_Masala
They lacked motivation to win. Reason is simple. No 911's were inflicted
on the Soviets by Afghani's. It was the Soviets meddling in Afghani affairs.

Whereas 911 was planned and executed by Al Qaeda operating with aid and comfort
by their Hosts, the Taliban who were mostly all Afghani's.

Also, they said the same thing about Iraq before the surge...that we can't win there.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:46 PM
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6. Dang Frenchie
what Kool-aid did you drink, mind sharing.....:evilgrin:


:bounce:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:55 PM
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9. K&R Frenchie!!!!!!!
It's not just you. I step away from this board more times than not, and I'm better for it. I didn't even start following politics closely until Barack Obama came along, and I'll be damned if I hang him out to dry right about now. He inherited the most mucked up mess ever, and I voted for him because I trust him to do whats right. And like you, when I have questions or disagree, I make calls and write letters to make my voice heard. I will not roll with the rw in attacking this guy. There are enough people rooting for his failure...I need him to succeed.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:56 PM
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10. Well done FrenchieCat!!
You are not alone....

:applause:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #10
34. "You are not alone...."
She most certainly is NOT. :)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:41 AM
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40. !
:hug:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 09:59 PM
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13. Very nice! K&R.
It's not only you - I'm right there beside you. :hi:
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:06 PM
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14. K&R
Well said...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:09 PM
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16. Hahahahaaa!
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 10:11 PM by FrenchieCat
Let me just say that those unreccing this tread
only do so, because they see themselves described.....

You ain't slick. :rofl:

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:12 PM
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18. They can't deal with
being described in such vivid detail.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:07 PM
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65. Exactly !
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:10 PM
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17. ^
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 10:11 PM by bridgit
:kick:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:23 PM
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:27 PM
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22. That appeals to the lowest
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 10:33 PM by Cha
common denominator.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:32 PM
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25. It is odd how it works.....
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 10:35 PM by FrenchieCat
His biggest distractors during the election,
are also the folks that act as though he
is supposed to be a unilateral Messiah/Saint/Savior...
Who could change everything by pounding hitting his fist on the table....
and declaring himself the "decider"
if only he really wanted to....

but at the same time, accused those who realistically
supported this man as "Our best Hope" of being
the ones deluted into thinking he walked on water.

Same folks who want to believe every negative read about this one person,
and claiming of being the most disappointed,
when they never expressed any faith in anything about him whatsoever
(including his capabilities of winning the general election),
but haven't had a single positive thing to say about him yet,
and making sure not to recognize any of the good,
while professing that they had to have worked the hardest
at getting him elected.

All conveniently ironic, IMO.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #25
50. Well said!
You nailed it and them, the same ones who NEVER supported Obama in the first place and have always posted negative OPs before, during and after his election.

It is beyond pathetic, imo, but not surprising.

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #25
69. Exactly !!!
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:28 PM
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23. Too many factual mistakes to bother. Just a big FAIL.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #23
52. In other words...
you got nothing. Carry on then.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:11 PM
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55. In other words...
The context of the post is so confused that it begins by making the incredible factual mistake of confusing Afghanistan with the attack on 9/11, as if they were actually connected.

When you start from that silly premise, you are already in trouble.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:38 PM
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56. How so?
Wasn't the war in Afghanistan the response to what happened on 9/11? Al-Qaeda was and still is the target.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Uhhh. no.
Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11.

The bush administration used the cover of 9/11 to launch attacks against both Afghanistan and then Iraq.

The meme you are repeating is something the democrats made up in 2004 for Kerry so he wouldn't sound like a Dove, declaring one war okay, but the other war "wrong".

Al-Qaeda is an independent organization without direct ties to any government or land and having a war with Afghanistan does little to weaken or thwart Al Qaeda, it is just continue cover for Obama to not be a "dove".

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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #58
70. This is a really stupid argument...
We're there because Al-Qaeda is there. Now you're the one making the factual mistake that simply because we're attacking an 'organization' within Afghanistan means we're attacking Afghans.

It really doesn't matter what you want to call Al-Qaeda, they pulled a terrorist act which is not in dispute. They were based in Afghanistan so they was that country's responsibility.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:43 PM
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71. Al-Qaeda is no more there than in Pakistan...
Syria, Iran, Turkey, London or any other number of places.

And no, they weren't "based" in Afghanistan. They were actually "based" in Syria, but please don't let reality get in the way of your cheerleading.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Oh my! You used cheerleader!
But seriously, did you just abandon your stupid argument? Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, not Syria. Yes they have networks all around that region, but their target was in one place. Thanks for the history lesson, I guess.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #72
81. LOL. So you think the war is about Bin Laden
And that Bin Laden is in Afghanistan? That's so cute.

Try Pakistan.



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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #81
84. Aww. Conspiracy theories
Regardless of what you want to believe, it's the reason why we went to war. By the way, you don't know where Bin Laden is so spare me the geography lesson.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. So facts are conspiracy theories in your mind?
Wow, the apologists will make up just about anything to protect the unprotectable, won't they?

Suddenly bush went to war for honorable reasons.

Suddenly the fact that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are in Pakistan, not Afghanistan, is suddenly not common knowledge.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. just tell them to enlist
they run away. :)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #76
87. There are already folks who have enlisted......
They had a choice.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. Are you going to?
since Afghanistan is the "right war".
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #23
75. Massive Fail.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #75
82. Yeah, the post was a pretty massive fail.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:31 PM
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24. K&R. Excellent post. Brush it off.
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 10:32 PM by jenmito
:hi:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:53 PM
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26. Folks want to see him with a straightjacket on......
so that he can't move any way, period.

Hard to brush that off, when everybody's mama and daddy,
believes in all earnesty that they are smarter than this man....
to the point of truly feeling like they could do his job,
with a blindfold on while whistling.
If only.....
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:09 PM
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28. "Realistic supporters" of the president, this president,

have to expect and tolerate criticism of him from all directions. It comes with the position. IMO, every indication is that Obama himself and his key players are holding to course, presenting plans, and bearing up well under predictable opposition.

Too bad more of us can't do the same....






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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:23 PM
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32. I'm sure that Obama does tolerate criticism in all directions......
I just thought I'd let him know that I don't measure each decision he makes in a vaccum.
He's got 3 years, and I'll be looking for the long term results, cause I believe that is
how he plans to govern. If I'm wrong, and he's a fuck up, then I'm sure that will be more evident
by the next election. The blow by blow, inch by inch jabs are becoming quite similar to what
the pundits do.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:16 PM
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30. Happy to rec
Brilliant post.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:23 PM
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31. You are not alone, Frenchie. ...............n/t ...................
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:26 PM
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33. What a marvelous tonic against the effects of the pro-trolls and malignant idealists.
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 11:33 PM by quiet.american
WOOT! FRENCHIE -- YOU ARE AWESOME!

(And you can mark me in the "standing-shoulder-to-shoulder-with-you" column.)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:56 PM
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36. Thanks. You can feel the attempts to get us down.....
and to keep us there forever.
Misery loves company.....
and the purists are into Black and White figuratively as much as who
they consider their opposites; the teabaggers who see Black and White literally.

Odd bedfellows.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:05 AM
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37. A, flippin' Men to everything you said. Cheers. nt
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 11:33 PM
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35. K&R X 2
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:27 AM
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38. Yes, mindless antipathy towards Obama is bad.
Change takes time, we can't expect to agree with Obama around the clock, it's silly to comment everytime Obama scratches his fucking ass, we shouldn't just mush the two wars together, Obama isn't the reincarnation of a terrible monster, every crime committed by someone who is a minority doesn't mean that Obama is a criminal, etc., etc. Do your enemies really deny such painfully obvious truths?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:35 AM
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39. Yes.....and that's the sad part.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:21 AM
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42. I believe you have A LOT of company in this, FrCat. . . . .n/t
I expect Pres Obama to win in 2012.. and I worry that his successor will not be as smart as he is. It will take far longer than 8 years to make a significant dent in the dungheap that was left to him.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 06:38 AM
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43. Real supporters, like real friends, do not automatically approve of everything
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 06:46 AM by cornermouse
done by the president they're supporting. Real supporters make their objections known when they see their president heading down the wrong path. Obama has now gone down several wrong paths.

It is not about how hot Obama is or how pretty Michelle is or about her style. It is about policies that adversely affect real people's lives.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:10 PM
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66. Real supporters don't automatically bitch about
everything and make up shit and they support the good that's been going on since the President took office.

And, that's a fact.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:30 PM
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68. Too lazy tonight I guess.
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 05:30 PM by cornermouse
So I'll just leave you where you're at and reply here.

So far, the change I've seen has been mostly cosmetic in nature. Ex: He says he's shutting down Gitmo even as he sends some of the detainees to facilities outside the U.S. That's simply not good enough after 8 years of Bush/Cheney.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:06 AM
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44. K&R
whatever he does in Afghanistan, we know he demanded an exit strategy. He WANTS us to get out, but he wants to do it in the most responsible way possible.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:29 AM
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45. Well said! K&R nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:34 AM
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46. you are the folk(s) who are so besotted you attempt to conflate
legitimate criticism of the President's policies with racists and haters, who don't seem to grasp that one can like and admire President Obama and still be disappointed in some of his actions. Oh, you claim that you're realistic, but that's a sham.


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:07 PM
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77. The Height of your superiority is frightening!
:scared:

But Happy thanksgiving to you nevertheless. :hi:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 07:43 AM
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47. Great analysis FrenchieCat!
:yourock:

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:23 AM
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48. Kick for us faithful
Happy Thanksgiving, Frenchie :hug:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 10:59 PM
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74. Hey my Dear Friend! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!
:pals:
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:44 AM
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49. Cosigned
You should copy, print and send this to Obama. Don't change a word.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:42 PM
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51. K&R
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:50 PM
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53. I'm with ya! nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:54 PM
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54. I'm supporting this. n/t
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 02:45 PM
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57. scary and creepy
wow.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:36 PM
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59. yes, you are scary and creepy.
but what about the OP?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:41 PM
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60. Yep
It amazes me to come here and find that the President is a corporatist warmonger and then find some rightwingnuts and hear that he's a communist Marxist. This can be done in one day. Kind of like California, where you can sit in the sun on the beach then drive a few hours and be in snowy mountains all in one day!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 11:18 PM
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80. I guess you haven't had friends and family come back from Iraq and Afghanistan
as less than "whole." If you had then you just MIGHT consider that continuation of the KILLING is inhumane.

This has nothing to do with President Obama, it has to do with his impending decision to RAMP UP the USA's MIC's KILLING MACHINE.

It's not about Obama, it's about continuing as SENSELESS WAR.

How many more troops and civilians must die for the MIC's corporate profits?!?

It's sickening and despite the fact that I voted for President Obama ... and the FACT that he's highly intelligent, I will NOT support him for re-election if he increases troop strength in that UNCONQUERABLE land.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 04:59 PM
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64. Damn! that is good...
You explain how it really is and you explained it perfectly...Kickety,Kick,Kick,KicK&Recommended!!!
:dem: :dem: :dem:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 05:17 PM
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67. Yes, too many fall into this trap..
"..and everyone else who only reads the headlines and "Opinion pieces" cultivated to build negative sentiments against......"

No investigation..just taking corporatemediawhores at their word and building a case around it on DU to get their flamebait jollies.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 10:30 PM
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73. well said...
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R. P. McMurphy Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-26-09 08:00 PM
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83. k & r n/t
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shadesofgray Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 01:39 AM
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85. If you don't like everything Obama does or says, & he really pisses you off, then you
Edited on Fri Nov-27-09 01:39 AM by shadesofgray
"realistic" supporters aren't any different from those you are chastising for apparently not adhering to your tough standards.

And it's "do as I say, not as I do."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 01:47 AM
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86. I'm not making him my whipping boy,
and that's the difference.

especially if he is doing what he'd say he would do.

I think he could have been more forceful on the Health Care situation,
and would have liked him much more strongly with the Left.....
and spoke out against the bullshit from the other side in a way that would have cut more.
I wrote him two long letters in reference to this.

But in total, shitting on him every single day, is uncalled for.
I never expected him to address all of the outstanding issues all once,
and to address those issues exactly as I decided was the best way.

There is a world of difference in believing some things could have been done differently,
and saying that he has not shown leadership, and there has been no real change, etc., etc.
I don't believe that, and I'm not going to participate in the pile on....especially since the Republicans and the media have that quite covered.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 06:51 PM
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89. Well said, Frenchie! I'm only sorry I'm too late to rec. nt
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