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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:02 PM
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Obama Has Info, Will Make Afghan Decision Shortly
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/11/obama_has_info_will_make_afghan_decision_shortly.php

Marc Ambinder:

The strategy announcement will be replete with references to various off-ramps and benchmarks, and the commanders will be responsible for regularly certifying compliance with them. If the benchmarks, such as they are, are not met, Obama may well draw down American troops. He has been advised privately by former Gen. Colin Powell to design and implement an exit strategy.

For weeks, his commanders have had a rough sense of where his mind was, although Obama has continuously pushed them to scale down their ambitions. It's probably safe to say that, at the beginning of the press, convincing the president to send any more troops to the region was a tough sell; he is closer today to his war commanders' points of view than where he was. But his own national security team, led by Gen. James Jones, feels it has succeeded in convincing the commanders that time is not on their side, that the troop increase is, in essence, the last hard power maneuver in the U.S. playbook, and that external factors beyond the performance of U.S. troops would dictate the future. The commanders, in other words, do not have a free hand: they must utilize the troops to achieve the goals laid out by political leaders in Washington.

Obama faces extreme pressure from Democrats in Congress to impose conditions on the troop increases, and he is likely to at least partially satisfy those Democrats. Unclear, at this point, whether his political base supports his decision because of the lengthy process he undertook to make it, or whether their skepticism about an unending, undefined conflict in the region pushes them to push congressional Democrats to stave off Obama's request for additional troop funding.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:03 PM
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1. Eh. I'm not hopeful.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:05 PM
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3. I know. And that's okay.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:07 PM
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5. me neither. He will disappoint us. Again.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:05 PM
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2. It's An Excruciating Decision
I can't imagine. It's encouraging that he is being so thoughtful about it.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:08 PM
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6. Obama seems to be saying to the commanders and generals
"You had better do exactly what I tell you to do over there....or I'm sending them back."
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:19 PM
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10. only if you are in IDIOT. it's a no brainer decision for the rest of
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 12:19 PM by jonnyblitz
us.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:23 PM
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11. Says Someone Who Doesn't Have To Make Any Decision Remotely Like This
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 12:24 PM by Beetwasher
How's your armchair, General? :eyes:

Pathetic. "No Brainer". Yeah, that's you.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:06 PM
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4. Surge=Exit.
Obama is doubling-down on a Lost War.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:16 PM
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9. This gives me a lot of unease.
I'm not sure what our objectives are over there.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:11 PM
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7. Whatever the decision.....
.... I'm glad he's the one doing it.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:12 PM
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8. Agreed +1...and check your inbox
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:28 PM
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12. I would love to be surprised by Obama's decision, but I don't think I will be.
And that is really sad.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:30 PM
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13. I am so tired of hearing everyone...
try to tell this president how and when to make decisions on every issue. How long did it take for Bush to make his decision to start the war in Iraq.

No matter what the issue he has to be told what to do and how to do it by mfers who aren't even in the room or who don't have recent information most of these people are going by what another president did 30,40,or 50 years ago and he has to do it the way they did it even though the situations are different and people have changed...

Whatever he decides it won't be good enough,most of these people just want to keep it going for the money,contracts and to destroy us,.The repugs say we are spending too much money so ask them why aren't we when it comes to war?
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:32 PM
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14. According to McClatchy, Obama to send in 34,000 more troops to Afghanistan
Edited on Tue Nov-24-09 12:37 PM by SandWalker1984
Obama plans to send 34,000 more troops to Afghanistan
By Jonathan S. Landay, John Walcott and Nancy A. Youssef | McClatchy Newspapers

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/117/story/79380.html?storylink=omni_popular

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama met Monday evening with his national security team to finalize a plan to dispatch some 34,000 additional U.S. troops over the next year to what he's called "a war of necessity" in Afghanistan, U.S. officials told McClatchy.

Obama is expected to announce his long-awaited decision on Dec. 1, followed by meetings on Capitol Hill aimed at winning congressional support amid opposition by some Democrats who are worried about the strain on the U.S. Treasury and whether Afghanistan has become a quagmire, the officials said.

The U.S. officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the issue publicly and because, one official said, the White House is incensed by leaks on its Afghanistan policy that didn't originate in the White House.

They said the commander of the U.S.-led international force in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, could arrive in Washington as early as Sunday to participate in the rollout of the new plan, including testifying before Congress toward the end of next week. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry also are expected to appear before congressional committees.

As it now stands, the plan calls for the deployment over a nine-month period beginning in March of three Army brigades from the 101st Airborne Division at Fort Campbell, Ky., and the 10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum, N.Y., and a Marine brigade from Camp Lejeune, N.C., for as many as 23,000 additional combat and support troops.

In addition, a 7,000-strong division headquarters would be sent to take command of U.S.-led NATO forces in southern Afghanistan — to which the U.S. has long been committed — and 4,000 U.S. military trainers would be dispatched to help accelerate an expansion of the Afghan army and police.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected to brief America's NATO allies after next week's announcement, and the allies are to meet again on Dec. 7 in Belgium to discuss whether some other nations might contribute additional troops.

The Monday evening meeting was the ninth that Obama has held on the crisis in Afghanistan, where the worsening war entered its ninth year last month. This year has seen violence reach unprecedented levels as the Taliban and allied groups have gained strength and expanded their reach.

A U.S. military official used the term "decisional" to describe Monday evening's meeting among Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Gates, Clinton, National Security Adviser Jim Jones, Eikenberry and senior U.S. military commanders.

The administration's plan contains "off-ramps," points starting next June at which Obama could decide to continue the flow of troops, halt the deployments and adopt a more limited strategy or "begin looking very quickly at exiting" the country, depending on political and military progress, one defense official said.

"We have to start showing progress within six months on the political side or military side or that's it," the U.S. defense official said.

It's "not just how we get people there, but what's the strategy for getting them out," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday.

The approach is driven in part by concerns that Afghan President Hamid Karzai won't keep his promises to root out corruption and support political reforms, and in part by growing domestic opposition to the war, the U.S. officials said.

As McClatchy reported last month, the Obama administration has been quietly working with U.S. allies and Afghan officials on an "Afghanistan Compact," a package of political reforms and anti-corruption measures that it hopes will boost popular support for Karzai and erase the doubts about his legitimacy raised by his fraud-tainted re-election.

The British government is offering to host a conference early next year to win international support for the compact.

Last week, Clinton suddenly adopted a more conciliatory tone toward Karzai, whom she and other administration officials had been pressing to clean up the rampant corruption and cut his ties to local warlords, some of whom traffic in opium.

In an interview with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, she said that Karzai had demonstrated "good faith" and added: "Well, there are warlords and there are warlords."

As part of its new plan, the administration, which remains skeptical of Karzai, will "work around him" by working directly with provincial and district leaders, a senior U.S. defense official told McClatchy.

The plan adopted by Obama would fall well short of the 80,000 troops McChrystal suggested in August as a "low-risk option" that would offer the best chance to contain the Taliban-led insurgency and stabilize Afghanistan.

It splits the difference between two other McChrystal options: a "high-risk" approach that called for 20,000 additional troops and a "medium-risk" option that would add 40,000 to 45,000 troops.

There are 68,000 U.S. troops and 42,000 from other countries in Afghanistan. The U.S. Army's recently revised counterinsurgency manual estimates that an all-out counterinsurgency campaign in a country with Afghanistan's population would require about 600,000 troops.

The administration's plan is expected to encounter opposition on Capitol Hill, where some senior Democrats have suggested that the administration may need to raise taxes in order to pay for the additional troops.

Obama campaigned saying that he'd fund the Iraq and Afghanistan wars from the defense budget, but Mullen has said that the Afghan war — which some administration officials privately concede could cost $700 billion to $1 trillion over 10 years — might require a supplemental funding bill next year.

The administration's protracted deliberations have escalated into open warfare between McChrystal and his supporters and advocates of a more limited strategy led by Biden and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel that often played out in dueling leaks to news organizations.

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Military manufacturing is now 123% higher than in 2000 but the rest of manufacturing has shrunk 19%.

The military budget for 2009 was up 11% from the previous year -- and that does not include war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, which cost $150 BILLION plus dollars per year.

It costs $1 MILLION per soldier per year in Afghanistan.


This kind of military spending cannot continue without serious, dire consequenes for Americans. Case in point - the break up of the Soviet Union.

If we ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.


Obama/Orwell - more "chains" you can believe in.

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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:49 PM
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15. So...off goes my son-in-law for the 4th trip over there! I am so sick of this crap.
Enough is enough! It is time to get out and get out now.
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