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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:03 PM
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Andrew Sullivan: Why I Remain Bullish On Obama
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/why-i-remain-bullish-on-obama.html

Why I Remain Bullish On Obama


He's taking the usual slew of tactical hits as his opponents try every single line of attack and pound every day, squeezing every ounce of agitprop from the news cycle. His numbers are gliding downward (although not by much), his foreign policy gains are structural and have as yet no tangible results, a critical Mid-East ally, Israel, is doing all it can to destroy his credibility with the Muslim world, his health insurance reform is still not passed, the debt is simply staggering (and the GOP's willingness to blame it all on him is as shameless as it can be convincing to those who know nothing and think less), etc etc.

And yet I remain absurdly confident that he is on the right path. Why? This rare moment of Beltway perspective helps explain:

No pain, no gain? In a way, last week epitomized President Obama’s 10 months in office. There was lots of seemingly short-term pain — members of Congress calling for his Treasury secretary to resign, more P.R. snafus over the stimulus, the chattering class criticizing his Asia trip, and his approval rating dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup’s poll.


But there also was long-term gain — the Senate on Saturday moving one step closer to passing health-care reform and a growing economic consensus, via the New York Times, that the stimulus is working despite all the P.R. headaches it has caused. Indeed, this short-term pain/long-term gain for Team Obama occurred during the presidential campaign. For all the hits they took (Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, “bitter,” the PUMAs, Bill Ayers, Landstuhl, even Joe the Plumber), they were always working toward the prize (270-plus electoral votes). And remember this: If you simply judged the last three months of the 2008 campaign by which campaign “won” the daily news cycle, McCain came out ahead. That’s perhaps the best example of the short-term/long-term.


I think Obama's handling of the economic crisis has been about as good as it reasonably gets; I think his handling of Iran is equally adroit; I find his relentless emphasis on reality in Afghanistan a good sign; I suspect the only way to get health insurance reform is the way he has attempted; I think the stimulus was necessary and sufficient; and I think unemployment will be coming down when he runs for re-election. On those issues I differ with him on - accountability for war crimes and civil rights - I can see the cool and cunning logic of his moves so far. The depth and complexity of the problems he faces remain immense. Perhaps he will prove incapable of surmounting them. But his persistence matters here. And we are not yet a year in.

He is strategy; his opponents are tacticians. And in my view, their tactics are consigning them to a longer political death than if they had taken a more constructive course. I could be wrong on all this, of course. History makes fools of us all. But this is my take as of now. And my relief at his being there remains profound.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:04 PM
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1. Rec'd.... n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:11 PM
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2. Well, Andrew Sullivan and I are
in total agreement.

How refreshing to read him instead of that so-called left wing slop that's served up around here.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:14 PM
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:19 PM
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5. What is your problem? If you don't agree, say so. You don't have to
attack anyone.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:22 PM
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6. There's no defense for any rudeness. However, the "left wing slop" derision
of the Proud Liberals who make up this board was *begging* for a retort.

Still, it's a sad day in DU Land when we become giddy when a former GOP faithful like Andrew Sullivan is Our Democratic President's biggest fan.

Something is amiss. Methinks our party has swung too far to the corporate right. :shrug:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:31 PM
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10. +1
i'll add :puke:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:34 PM
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11. +2
:puke: :puke:

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:38 PM
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14. The aritcles I was refering to ..are nothing but slop.
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 07:40 PM by Cha
I don't use that term lightly.

Just because Andrew Sullivan use to be gop is no reason not to agree with now.

I don't hold grudges against people who aren't always perfect.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:50 PM
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19. -1. Me thinks the party, much like the right, will be driven off a cliff if the...
extreme left activists get their way. Say what you will, most Americans just aren't interested in old school "liberalism" as preached by Thom Hartmann, and many leftwing bloggers. The my way, or the highway approach to concensus building is a non-starter. Moderates get things done...the extreme activist base...not so much.

Ideological purity is wonderful if you can persuade enough of the American people, but if you're just stomping your feet, and holding your breath til you turn blue in the face (Dennis Kucinich & Michelle Bachmann come to mind), then you're just wasting valuable breath. The extremes of both parties scare the hell out of Independents, and that's where elections are won. Andrew Sullivan knows this...why don't you?
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:58 AM
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24. Take the words "left" and "liberal" away....
....and for decades on end nearly all of the priority issues and solutions of "the extreme left" poll as solid majority, mainstream opinions.

I will not reject those issues and solutions and label them extreme simply because a captive media has unlimited time and funds to demonize two words.

It is not centrist to triangulate with a propaganda conspiracy to turn the majority of Americans against their own best interests. No matter how successful that conspiracy has been.

:hi:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:50 PM
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25. +1
your post, and the reason for it, saddens me. but, i appreciate your clarity in stiking down that tired old meme. people DO want what is best for them, regardless of what the corporate media tells us.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:42 AM
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23. of course, and du is now corp whore central for these cretins and there propaganda machine
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:31 PM
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9. +1
sometime, i do not think that my ignore list can get long enough.
thank you mr sullivan.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:14 PM
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4. Sullivan Gets It
Thankfully Obama does too and won't be swayed by dips in polls. He sees the long game.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:26 PM
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7. kick and rec
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:26 PM
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8. It's interesting to read Plouffe's book as a comparison to the day to day efforts of this admin.
..... the parallels between the two are striking.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:56 PM
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15. reading book as well
what are the parallels..flying by the seat of their pants or the true altruism and nondc politics?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 03:06 PM
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26. Oh yeah, they really flew by the seat
of their pants into the White HOuse from being the underDAWG.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 06:35 PM
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28. highly recommend the book
Hillary things were enlightening
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:35 PM
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12. Sullivan gets Obama better than almost any blogger, and that's despite
the fact that he's pissed at Obama over gays issues as much as anyone.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:38 PM
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13. Perfect
Exactly the way I feel. I have all the confidence in the world for Barack Hussein Obama.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:14 PM
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16. K&R nt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:30 PM
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17. KnR. Andrew Sullivan remains an interesting read. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:43 PM
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18. K&R
Instant soup will be tasting like gruel soon enough.
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MyOwnPeace Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:06 AM
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20. While I have been disappointed in ......
some of his moves (GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!), I can only imagine (it really is more like a very bad nightmare!) what shape we'd be in if McLAIM and Moosehead had won.

Now there's a "reality" check! :eyes: :eyes:
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:06 AM
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21. K&R
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:35 AM
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22. Kick
Agree or not, it is an interesting view of the current position of the Obama admin.

While wishing that Obama was more Progressive and more like LBJ in trying to get his way, I think there is some validity to his approach.

At the very least, he is much more Progressive than McCain was or could ever be. He also may pave the way for a true Progressive in 2016.

As Sullivan alludes to, it'll be up to historians in 20-30 years to figure out what really happened.


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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 05:51 PM
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27. Well said Andrew. And keep up the investigation of Sarah Palin.
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