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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:14 PM
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One key to this election -- Mass. is basically liberal and our GOP is not seen as "all that bad"
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 01:31 PM by Armstead
There is something that helps to explain why a Republican like Scott Brown is doing so well in a "blue" state like Massachusetts.

We tend to give Republicans more benefit of the doubt.

His image was pretty good in the earlier stages of all this, because we don't have the knee-jerk reaction against Republicans that exists in states where the partisan and ideological lines are more clearly drawn. He may be a right-wingnut, but in building his image statewide, he benefited from our state's tradition of Reasonable Republicans.

Republicans here tend to be more liberal than the national norm. They are generally reasonable, middle-of the road and open to liberal solutions as appropriate. That applies both on the level of politicians and on the ground. Our GOP Governors have tended to be bland and reasonable. (Yes Romney was a horrorshow. BUT to win in Massachusetts, he had to change his spots and run as a moderate and play ball with Democrats.)

Massachusetts IS basically a liberal state. Unlike some other parts of the country, the default political position here is liberal on most issues....Not that we are a bunch of rabid ideologues, but because liberalism is accepted as the pragmatic ideology of basic decency and common sense.

HOWEVER, that should not be confused with partisan. The liberalism here is not automatically associated with being a Democrat. Traditionally, the GOP versus Democrat battle line has been much less stark than it is nationally. And many people are independents, even if they are basically liberal.


The Democratic Party here is so entrenched that it is often seen as a corrupt political machine. We love our Democratic politicians like the Kennedys and often our local Congresspeople. But the party overall and Boston is seen as Boss Tweed -- and politicians often get themselves into hot water to reinforce that stereotype. (There is also a large gap between eastern Massachusetts and western Massachusetts, which is sometimes treated as the neglected stepchild by Boston.)

ALSO, the downside of liberalism -- higher taxes, more regulation -- tends to be more evident here because liberalism is the way things are done here. In other words, we don't have the knee-jerk fear of "socialism" that conservatives often confuse with liberalism. But instead of philosophical objections, but we do get pissed off at specifics when politicians recklessly raise our taxes or tighten regulations excessively.



People in Massachusetts also have an ornery, rebellious streak. So, if the Democratic powers-that-be seem to be overstepping the bounds, voters here will send a message. A Republican vote is not seen in the same way as it is other parts of the country, because we don't see it as voting against "those awful liberal heathens."

Scott Brown benefited from this. Because he was largely unknown, he had the image of being a basically reasonable guy rather than a crazed "teabagger." Coakley is seen as a business-as-usual Democrat. So independents may be tempted to send a message with Brown, rather than seeing it as supporting the GOP Right Wing Agenda.

Hopefully, enough Democrats will get scared of the real national implications of the possibility of Brown in the Senate that they will come out in enough numbers to push Coakley over the top.

However, to understand this race, it's important to see it in the unique context of Massachusetts politics and values.



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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:26 PM
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1. We in CT also seem to view Rethugs as "not that bad". And our gov. is plenty moderate here.
Sometimes we have Repub horror shows or Dems then pretend to be Dems for awhile(Lieberman) but we don't have fire breathing Republicanism here. And when there is turning away from liberals, like Dodd, it is mot necessarily because we want a huge conservative direction to take place. It is other things, like Dodd coming off as out of touch and corrupt. Mass tends to be more liberal then CT does so hopefully there will be a big Dem turnout. The race is close, but plenty of voters are paying attention.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:30 PM
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2. The "paying attention" factor is a big one
The Republicans and independent malcontents were working hard under the radar, while many Democrats were not really paying attention because it was assumed that Coakly had it "in the bag."

Only now, when that little timebomb became more evident, did peopel start to ralize what might happen. Hopefully, there will be a last minute rally.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:31 PM
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4. I think the recent polls might have sent a clear message to any Dems who
don't want a Rethug in power to go out and vote.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:38 PM
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7. Yes, the polls are making several people go to vote against Scott Brown

I know of 3 who were not going to vote but are now going to vote against Scott Brown, even if they supported someone else in the primary.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 08:25 PM
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23. Are these polls doing that?
If so there is going to be a major upset in favor of Coakley tomorrow.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 08:24 PM
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22. Rell is the Webster's Dictionary definition of what it means to be a "RINO".
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:31 PM
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3. Thanks for posting that.
It helps make sense of the current situation for those outside of your state.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:34 PM
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5. Seems to be a New England thing. (Well, NH is probably the exception I guess.) As
annoyed as I get with Snowe and Collins I am still very thankful they aren't the rabid crazed religious types.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:36 PM
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6. I think it is....It goes back through our regional traditions
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:40 PM
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8. Totally. We were once the home of the liberal Repubs. It is just many Dems took their seats
in the last few years. The thing is Brown probably hopes that many indie voters will believe he is a well meaning moderate type Repub. I doubt he would turn out to be that way.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:43 PM
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9. Massachusetts sent Ed Brooke to the Senate -- liberal, Republican and African American
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Blaukraut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:48 PM
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10. We're also starting to have our teabagger contingent
Partly due to out-of-staters who moved here for jobs, and another huge factor is 96.9's 24 hour rightwing hate fest. Even sports radio is joining in.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 01:56 PM
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11. State Republicans can be not that bad but if they get in the Senate, they will vote the way the
party tells them to just like the Senate Republicans have been doing all year.

Will we get the Jobs Bill now? Republicans are trying to stop everything. They don't want the economy to recover because the worse it does, the better their chance to take over control in November.

He will be another Republican in the Senate. He wont be a Massachusetts Republican.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:16 PM
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19. I know -- I'm not saying this is a good thing....Just explaining some of the mentality in this
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:58 PM
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20. I know. I just wonder if they have any idea what the hell they are really doing to the rest of the
country.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 08:22 PM
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21. Some do, some don't
There's idiots who just want to go with the symbolism of sending a message. There's also people who really are pissed off at the performance of the national Democratic Party, and forget that the National Republicans are much worse.

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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 02:46 PM
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12. TN was a liberal State that is why we moved here, solid blue just like MA
Then along came Bush 2000....solid blue in "92" to solid red in "2000"....
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 03:27 PM
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13. A GOP not that bad? So Mass voters want to back the rich who want to privatize everything?
have the Mass voters read the GOP's agenda? If they vote for Brown they are voting against themselves
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:15 PM
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18. They are voting againdst themselves (ourselves) -- but this is about a long hostory
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 07:22 PM by Armstead
In Massachusetts, the image of Republicans in this state has been very different than the national Republicans. Ed Brooke, Bill Weld, etc.

The GOP may be getting wingnuttier here too, but that has not caught up with the perception.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 06:52 PM
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14. I guess that's true, you had Romney and Romneycare...
... he's had to go way to the right to be a national candidate for the Repubs.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:02 PM
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15. Brown, from everything I've seen, seems to be a Cheney Jr.,

so I don't buy your argument at all.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:06 PM
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16. That's what I am curious about
He really doesn't seem to be selling himself as moderate but I'm not in MA so I don't know what the common perception of him is there. I can see disgruntled voters turning to a true moderate Republican but he doesn't seem to fit that bill.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:12 PM
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17. He might be -- But a lot of people aren't paying attention
For many weeks (months) it was simply assumed that whoever was the Democratic nominee was going to win, and the Republican nominee was considered a sacrificial lamb.

Therefore, there was not much scrutiny of Brown, and whether he is a wingnut or a Bill Weld Republican.
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