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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:14 PM
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Am I the only one that knows the meaning of the word, "rogue?"
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 06:20 PM by Sarah Ibarruri
Sarah Palin describes herself as "rogue" in her new book, Going Rogue. We already know she's an unschooled ignoramus, but my gosh, I guess they let the book go to press because the a-holes buying it are equally unschooled and ignorant and are clueless what rogue means.


From The Free Dictionary:* *http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rogue

An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or
rascal.
One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
A vicious and solitary animal, especially an elephant that has
separated itself from its herd.
An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation
from a standard.
Vicious and solitary. Used of an animal, especially an elephant.
Large, destructive, and anomalous or unpredictable: a rogue wave; a
rogue tornado.
Operating outside normal or desirable controls: "How could a single
rogue trader bring down an otherwise profitable and well-regarded
institution?"
To defraud.
To remove (diseased or abnormal specimens) from a group of plants of
the same variety.



*From Dictionary.com:* http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rogue

a dishonest, knavish person; scoundrel.
a playfully mischievous person; scamp: The youngest boys are little rogues. 3. a tramp
or vagabond.
a rogue elephant or other animal of similar disposition.
a usually inferior organism, esp. a plant, varying markedly fro=

to cheat.
to uproot or destroy
having an abnormally savage or unpredictable disposition, as a rogue elephant.


*From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:*
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rogue


vagrant
tramp
dishonest or worthless person
scoundrel
a mischievous person
scamp
a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave
an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variation




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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:15 PM
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1. Yep. That about sums up Sarah. nt
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:17 PM
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4. +1
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:12 PM
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24. This. n/t
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:16 PM
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2. Yep,you're the only one.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 04:12 PM
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34. Yep. At least you got that going for you.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:16 PM
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3. Sarah Palin fits the description of rogue pretty well, doesn't she?
And don't forget the British slang definition of the term, "going rogue" which is to have unprotected anal sex.

:o
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:18 PM
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6. LOL! Now that I didn't know! We should spread the meaning of "rogue" widely...
It would ruin the sales of her book, or at least ruin this whole hoop-tee-doo about it.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:17 PM
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5. "an elephant that has separated itself from its herd"
That's probably the primary meaning she was going for.

Even so, it's never a flattering term, so good choice.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:31 PM
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7. For some strange reason Americans love their mavericky rogues
The connotation on both those words seems to be impish to a degree. Also, someone who is smarter than the pack and therefore seperates themselves from the pack.
And of course FUX the propaganda arm of the GOOP (grand old old party) pushes that meme.
But in real life a rogue is an asshole, concerned only about #1. And in reality, most people spend little time putting up with rogues or maverickies.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:33 PM
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8. I say America needs a bit of vocabulary ed - we need to spread far and wide the meaning of rogue nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:42 PM
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9. I agree, but you know FUX has been doing most of the teaching on words
for the past couple decades.
Like liberal - used to be a good word
czar - used to be associated with Russia.
acorn - once a nut then a respected organizing group.

I could go on. We need some word workers on our side.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:15 PM
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12. I know, but if we spread around what dictionaries say about rogue
(And nothing a dictionary says about rogue is good)...

Can that hurt? Nope.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:45 PM
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10. "Maverick" was already taken.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:21 PM
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13. Yep. But I'm amazed that the publishers went on and allowed her to use a derogatory word
I mean, why would the publishers allow her to use a derogatory term to describe herself, unless they figured:

(1) Those who know what it means (non-GOPers) would laugh at her stupidity, and;
(2) Those who don't know what it means (GOP Bible types) would think it means something good and of course question nothing.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:13 PM
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17. Reading the definitions surprised me.
I have mostly heard the term 'rogue' used in describing men who misbehave or are unconventional- I guess that would be closest to "playfully mischievous; a scamp".

That doesn't seem like something that works well on a female conservative politician.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:55 PM
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19. It should have.
It's known as an 'idiom chunk', in some theories. "Go rogue" doesn't have to have any of the usual meanings of "go" or "rogue."

Rather like "kicking the bucket" or "making water." When you make water, it's not like you're starting with hydrogen and oxygen gas in your body, letting them combine (which might well be explosive), and then excreting them. "Kicking the bucket" has precious little to do with buckets or kicking. And "making a baby"--well, do they really mean that when a couple makes a baby they collect various parts and sew them together, Frankenstein like?

Eh. A variety of the etymological fallacy, which runs deep in some when it serves them. Not when it doesn't. Few argued for "staying the course" to keep its original meaning of "staying to run the entire race", parallel to "staying the night". It didn't suit them.

Operating outside of conventional bonds. Said of creatures like elephants who leave the structure and confines of their herd and run off, charging through the jungle, possibly wandering into a village, and not being especially cautious of those they hurt. It's something that young male elephants bereft of older male role models and correction are more likely to do. But since it's drifted from its roots, we can ignore that--just as non-Catholics say "kick the bucket" or it's said about people instead of pigs. In Palin's case, "going rogue" had to do primarily with the strictures laid down by other repubs.

As Grice would probably conclude, once you've dropped cooperation as an element of conversation the entire structure of English conversational practices collapses.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:54 PM
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26. "when a couple makes a baby they collect various parts and sew them together, Frankenstein like?"
I was always told I had my Grandfather's eyes!

"As Grice would probably conclude, once you've dropped cooperation as an element of conversation the entire structure of English conversational practices collapses"

Republicans are bad at cooperation.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:10 AM
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28. Here you go
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:12 AM
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29. And...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:01 AM
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32. Maybe it means "going commando"
to Sarah. She's telling us she hasn't been wearing any underwear all this time.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:06 PM
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21. It doesn't work well on anyone except a criminal! nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:46 PM
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11. You flatter yourself
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:31 PM
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18. You flatter yourself cat
got more bullshit? Palin fan.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:24 PM
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14. I can't even get that far.
As soon as I hear her voice, I'm thinkin' of the prostitutes from the movie Fargo.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:08 PM
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23. It's true! I look at her and she somehow reminds me of a pole dancer or Las Vegas prostitute
She acts and looks like someone from the underside of life.
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:57 PM
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15. The dictionary has a liberal bias.
;)
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:07 PM
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22. LOL! nt
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:58 PM
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16. look up "going rogue" on Urban Dictionary
it's just as good as "teabagging"
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 05:28 AM
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31. OMG! Teabagging & going rogue at the same time!
:rofl:

Whether Urban or Webster, neither definition is complimentary.

If Sarah had an inkling of curiosity to learn why that word was used on her, she would've been offended, & not embrace it.

The dictionary has always been my friend and companion.

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mddem9850 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 10:57 PM
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20. of course not
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:47 PM
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25. Apparently she does know what it means. nt
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 12:07 AM
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27. So true :) nt
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 03:39 AM
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30. rogue agent...


yum.


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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 10:02 AM
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33. Excellent,,, thank you for the reminder
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