Message sent by the Obama administration and the Democratic "leadership" thus far

[depakid]

Real health care reform isn't worth fighting for. Not worth sticking your neck out for.

That's the bottom line- and that's what people will remember this administration- and the leadership in Congress for.

[tblue]

1. Yeah, this is where they showed us who they are. Unfortunately.

:banghead:

[impik]

4. Yea, right

Because Obama spent his entire political capital from the beginning of the year on this HCR just for the fun. You'd think HCR is something that is done every 4 years in this country. Sheeesh.

[PBS Poll-435]

2. Unless you have seen the bill that will be on the President's desk in late December/early January,

STFU


Seriously.

[Clio the Leo]

3. What does "stick your neck out" even mean?

Please translate that into something that has literal application to how a bill passes through Congress.

Years from now, when there are no more lifetime caps, no recissions, when young Americans dont suddenly find themselves uninsured before they've entered the workforce, and when someone CANNOT be denied coverage for a so-called "pre-existing condition" ..... when those things and more become commonplace, no one will remember the mournful cries of those who were only satisfied with the ideal.

[FrenchieCat]

5. My understanding is that if Obama doesn't sign a HCR bill

he's DOD for 2012. It's been heralded everywhere; by every single pundit there is.
That sounds pretty "neck stuck out there" to me.

Gibbs: Obama Willing To Be One-Term President To Get Health Care, 'Important Things' Done
President Obama is "quite comfortable" with being a one-term president if that's the price he has to pay to get "important things done," including health care reform, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said today.

I have heard the president say that, if making tough decisions in getting important things done that Washington has failed to deal with for decades means he only lives in this house and makes these decisions for four years, he's quite comfortable with that. Gibbs said he hadn't heard him say that "specifically on health care," but said it applied to issues including reform, the economy, Afghanistan and Iraq.

"The way he approaches is not in a mode of self preservation, but in a mode of how best, given all the information out there, how best he can make decisions in the best interest of the American people," he said, "not what's in the best interest of his polling numbers."

Last week, Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) told a town hall that he'd heard Obama say he was willing to lose his chances at re-election over health care reform.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/gibbs-obama-willing-to-be-one-term-president-to-get-health-care-important-things-done.php

Considering that this HCR bill has gotten further than any other,
I'm not sure about this not worth fighting for bullshit that some
obviously want to spew.

But whatever. Why don't you just put your other foot up his ass....
although I heard there is barely anymore room there,
cause everyone and their mama s'got theirs up there....
heard that it's the "IN" thing...foot up Prez ass.

[davidpdx]

6. I think that's what some are hoping for....

Sadly enough, for whom...you read between the lines on the rest.

[depakid]

7. Some are actually hoping for a bit better- while there's still some time

and the ability to make the policies and the legacy better.

Now's the time to make the play... or settle for less than half measures.

[prolesunited]

8. Yes, because you are privvy to *ALL* of Obama's

conversations with Congress.

The fact that he has gotten HCR farther than it's ever been in history clearly shows his lack of leadership and gumption.

[depakid]

9. That would be the line you hope people are buying....

[derby378]

12. Not HCR, actually, but health insurance "reform"

A "reform" package that actually mandates that most working-class Americans buy health insurance from the very same people who turned our insurance system into such a travesty.

[IndianaGreen]

13. Obama Not Upping His Involvement In Health Care Debate

LBJ worked his ass off to get Medicare passed!

Obama Not Upping His Involvement In Health Care Debate

First Posted: 11-23-09 02:45 PM | Updated: 11-23-09 03:21 PM

President Obama is not planning to increase (or, for that matter, decrease) his involvement in the health care debate even as legislation enters a pivotal moment in the United States Senate.

Just days after the Senate passed a historic measure, allowing health care reform to come to the floor for amending and debate, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs essentially stuck to the maxim, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," when describing the administration's upcoming approach.

"I think the president will continue to play the role that he and his team have played ," Gibbs said. "I don't think we would be at this point if the president and his team hadn't played roles in getting this process to the point of where it is."

"I can assure you, the president will continue to talk to legislatures about the importance of getting this done," Gibbs added.

Gibbs did not provide more details beyond stressing that it remained the president's goal to sign a bill into law before the end of the year. And he did not address -- nor was he asked about -- the obvious legislative obstacles that stand in the way. Four moderate Democrats in the Senate have said they would join a Republican filibuster of a bill that includes a public option for insurance coverage -- a provision that the president supports. A handful of progressive lawmakers, meanwhile, have hinted that they would walk away from any legislation that doesn't include a public plan.

Gibbs was asked during the briefing about the horse-trading taking place behind the scenes to secure some of these conservative Democratic votes -- including $100 million in federal Medicaid subsidies to Louisiana for that state's Senator Mary Landrieu. In his reply, he basically took a pass.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/obama-not-upping-his-invo_n_368005.html

[cliffordu]

10. Not grandstanding enough for you, eh?

[LWolf]

11. That one's loud and clear across the planet. nt