I trust Obama but I know people who have lost faith. What do you think is

[hedgehog]

going to happen over the next year?

[tridim]

1. Other: Worst push-poll ever.

[grantcart]

3. other: hedgehog stops beating wife

[hedgehog]

4. No seriously, I'm trying to get a handle on what people expect.

Right now the focus is entirely on the Health Care Reform Bill. If Obama pulls a last minute save, he'll have everyone behind him. My Dad thinks Obama has given up based on the advice of Washington insiders. I think he worked to get to where he is today so he could make needed changes.

If he doesn't manage to save the bill, the question is how many people will be too enraged to look at everything else that's happening below the MSM radar. That could go either way.

I think we also have to consider the wild card of normal weird events. If there's natural disaster, Obama's response might override anything that's happening today. Banking reform ( or the lack thereof) might take center stage.

[hedgehog]

10. Well, I could have asked someone to talk me down.......

:7

[WeDidIt]

11. +1,000,000,000 n/t

[HughMoran]

15. man, I couldn't agree more

DU - teh stupid has taken over :eyes:

[SkyDaddy7]

25. Agree!

[harun]

2. Other: No good options.

[mkultra]

5. unrec for push polling

[hedgehog]

7. Which way do you think I'm trying to push this? I stated up front

that I thought Obama would pull this off. Others in my family have already written him off. Am I being too optimistic or are others too pessimistic, are we all to focused on health care and ignoring other issues that may become more important by November?

[SkyDaddy7]

26. What exactly do you mean by...

"save the health care bill"? There are not enough votes for a public option, period. Despite what many "want" there is no way to get folks like LIEberman to go along.

Tell me where I am going wrong? I hear or read is anger but no way forward other than Obama to simply scrap this bill and quit. There is no other option.

[hedgehog]

33. Well, I was thinking of something along the lines of the House Bill

that would be a stepping stone to single payer. Public option would be part of that. I still hope Obama can figure out a way to pull this off. I'm an unalloyed dreamer, but I think that he didn't become President just for 4 years of rent free housing. I believe that if he can do it, he will.

I understand a lot of people believe that Obama and the bill are going down in flames. I just don't understand how suggesting that there are other possible outcomes is push polling.

[SkyDaddy7]

35. My question is...

How in the world can Obama do more than what is in the senate Bill when there simply are not the votes?

I would love more than anything to have a single payer system or at least a strong public option that may lead into a single payer system down the road...But the politcal climate is such that is not possible right now.

I honestly feel if this bill passes and the Insurance Companies continue to rape the public then the mood will be such that some form of public option will be introduced.

To me that is all we have right now. But I do not agree that we should simply scrap the reform all together if there is not at least a public option like many here on DU want. I think it is better to try something than nothing at all. But that is just me.

Who knows...Many here on DU who want the bill to be killed may still get their wish. Which means health care reform will be put off for another generation or two.

[hedgehog]

36. I tend to agree with you regarding the Senate. I'd really like to see Obama rally

people to reform the Senate starting with dumping the Senators who represent Wall Street. My thinking is that a lot of people (most people?) see the President as all-powerful and that if we don't get a proper health care reform bill it's because Obama sold out. I guess what I'm really asking is whether a loss on the Health Care Bill is the end of all our hopes. Don't forget, Health care Reform was just one item on a long agenda.

Thinking about it now (although it's too late to add to the poll) another possible outcome is that the Senate passes a shitty bill, Obama does or doesn't veto it, but that he takes the bill and uses it to campaign against the Republicans this Fall.

[SkyDaddy7]

38. I honestly think Obama has done all he can...

When it comes down to it there simply are not enough votes for a public option right now. I have stopped trying to make sense of why so many people think Obama can make people like Lieberman vote the way we want...It simply will not happen.

Another thing, Obama has been straight forward the entire time about what he wanted in this bill. Other than the public option Obama seems to be getting what he said he wanted from the beginning. I could be wrong but I do not remember Obama ever saying he would not sign a bill without a public option...He has always said he wanted a public option at the same time he has always said there is much more to this bill than a public option. However, saying this around here will get you attacked! LOL! I think to many people thought just because Obama got elected all of a sudden America was a progressive country and that simply is not the case! It will take time to change the mood of the country from all government is bad to the government has to play a role in some areas of society (Like it already does!) I get so aggrivated with those on the right who claim the government does nothing correct yet they love the military...What about NASA, Medicare, Social Security, Police, Fire Depts, etc., All these forms of government run services everyone likes. Of course nothing is perfect and there is always room for improvement but the fact remains they do far more good than bad! Americans are simply under the right wing spell that all government is bad despite what the facts are. So, it will just take time. IMO.

My opinion is if this bill passes then it will be the insurance companies last chance to operate in a decent fashion or else the political will for a public option could be overwhelming. Right now it is not. Plus, the way the GOP is using the threat of a fillibuster has screwed everything up! If it were not for that then we would have a strong public option!

Hopefully no one other than you will see this post because I am tired of being yelled at for being realistic.

[damntexdem]

6. I'm disappointed.

I knew Obama was a moderate who would not support as liberal an agenda as I would wish; but he has not lived up to even his moderate positions.

[busymom]

8. Interesting results so far...

I honestly expect #2...but maybe I'm just hoping?

[hedgehog]

9. My logical side says to expect #2, but my emotional side is still hoping for # 3.

After all, two years ago I decided to support Obama even though I figured he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination.

[DutchLiberal]

12. Health Care Reform bill will be failure, but people will sgtill stick by him...

Why? Because people are stupid. They voted for Reagan twice because he was charistmatic and good deliver a good speech and make America feel good again. With Obama, it's the same.

[apocalypsehow]

13. I can't even vote in this poll, your "options" are as skewed as I've ever seen a poll here skewed.

And that's saying something, indeed.

:thumbsdown:

Edit: added modifier.

[goclark]

18. Huum , unusual poll

[OhioBlue]

14. push poll. didn't vote. n/t

[Juche]

16. Depends on financial reform

If the dems push hard financial reform and the GOP opposes, I think it'll help the dems and hurt the GOP.

However whatever reform is coming out is weak. I think the ex-head of the FDIC called the house bill totally inadequate. And that is the house bill, the senate bill will be even more pro-corporate and anti-consumer.

So the dems will prove they are extremely unreliable and pro-corporate with health care and financial reform. It'll kill them. People won't turn GOP in droves, but the dems will stay home.

[Hamlette]

17. Yay!!! Dems lose!!!!!! Obama goes down with the dems!!!! We'll get more republicans! Good!!!!

Isn't this what we want?

Bush again.

[salguine]

20. I think that's what we have now.

[FrenchieCat]

21. Well, you think like cesar!

[Sebastian Doyle]

32. That's what the DLC wants

And it's exactly what their mission has been from day one. A Repuke majority, when possible, and a useless "Democratic majority" (in name only) when it isn't.

[quiller4]

19. None of the above. The Unemployment rate and any jobs bill

will be key. Passage of a major nobs bill along with plenty of campaigning about Republican attempts to defeat said bill are what will keep D losses to a minimum next fall.

[hedgehog]

23. I think that that's covered by Option 2. Right now the Health Care Bill

is on center stage. It may stay there one way or another, or another issue like jobs may become number 1.

[Tippy]

22. Never liked push polls myself

Are we looking at another 40 years without HCR?...I am begining to think its a possibility....When those who don't want it for what ever their reasons, the time will come when they beging losing loved ones possibly then they might have second thoughts.

[hedgehog]

24. Please, please, please tell me what about my questions suggests pushpolling?

I don't want to be rude, and I tried to present all the possible outcomes I could see in a straight forward manner.

[DevonRex]

27. None of the above. BS push poll. nt

[closeupready]

28. In this turd form, it will be an unmitigated disaster.

No question in my mind.

[krawhitham]

29. People think Obama can snap his fingers and can fix everything all at once, but he chooses not to

[Tippy]

30. Using negative word's like disaster, desprate or lost faith

Push polls are designed, by definition, to sway public opinion by "pushing" a negative message

[hedgehog]

34. Well, I was talking with people who thought he was the next FDR a year ago

and now are totally disgusted with him. I think that falls under "losing faith". I've seen a lot of posts here suggesting that the health care reform bill is a total sellout by Obama and the Congressional Democrats. I would think that constitutes disaster, especially if enough people stay home in 2010 or 2012 to allow the Republicans to take power again.

Now, if the Health Bill includes a public option and a national insurance exchange, I think a lot of people will be shocked. I think that's a valid statement.

If Obama does a good enough job in other areas like energy, jobs, college costs, foreign affairs,etc, the effect of a disappointing health care reform bill could be mitigated.

If something else we aren't even thinking about now becomes a driving issue, then it won't matter what happens with the Health care bill.




Personally, I happen to think he'll get a good Health Care Bill. I know that's unlikely, but then how likely is it that Obama is President?

[Romulox]

31. I think this health care debacle will appear in future textbooks

Under a chapter dealing with the practical limits of triangulation.

[TheKentuckian]

37. If he ever seriously takes on big money, even if he losses the fight

then I and many others will have their faith bolstered quite a lot. Thus far, the "stakeholders" sit at the head of the table when they honestly shouldn't even for the most part be invited till it is time to take their marching orders and pout.

Solutions that address problems rather than symptoms of them would go a long way too. As would even a show of toughness and resolve when dealing with Republicans and off the reservation fake Democrats.

Certainly, any even half step that entrenches corporate power and influence is at least two back for the people.

Much of the preceding issues might start to turn around if he would cut lose some of his insiders because too damn many are neocons, free market supply siders, and/or neolibs or in other words part of the same conventional beltway gang that can't shoot straight that have brought the country to it's knees.

The real problem beyond the details is we have a status quo guy when we need a transformative figure that wants to really reinvent the wheel versus trying to patch up the old broken one. Going back to where we fell off the cliff is not the answer because as most can recall, things were already an out of control freight train going down hill and going off the cliff just made things worse at a quicker pace but the direction was already set.

[WT Fuheck]

39. point of order

there is no health care reform bill.

there is a health insurance bill.

[rug]

40. The whole HCR process spotlighted the worst aspects of Obama's politics.

[old mark]

41. IMO, people blame the Senate for the trash health insurance bill...

I think some big name Dems will lose their good jobs, but Obama will improve his image.
He is a lot of things, but he IS a very smart politician as well.

mark

[ShortnFiery]

42. Oh yes, a gifted "politician" par excellence ... but not a "leader." --> No hard decisions made

and that will put him and Rahm out on their "New Democrat" asses come 2012.

[impik]

43. Wow, this poll would make Fox News proud. And you claim you "trust Obama"??? Yea, right.

[hedgehog]

45. The only thing I can say in my defense is that I haven't been

following the threads about Obama and the health Care Bill that closely, which means that I am not up on code phrases. Clearly I am not using the proper language to express myself.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

44. If the Dems had come up with a bill in which people were forced to enroll BUT

received full medical care with no deductibles and no or modest co-pays, as in civilized countries, then the program would have been considered the crowning achievement of the early 21st century.

What they have come up with is a program in which people are forced to enroll but have to spend thousands of dollars of their own money before they receive any benefits from it.