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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:48 PM
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Brief History: Universal Health Care Efforts in the US
For those who think our President is not handling this right, read the history of this long struggle from the 1800's through to Medicare. We have never been as close as we are right now. It didn't happen under FDR, Truman and or even LBJ (who is often touted as the model Obama should follow).

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/a_brief_history_universal_health_care_efforts_in_the_us.php?page=all



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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:56 PM
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1. Thanks
n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:56 PM
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2. Truman's efforts are interesting because Southern Dems got in the way
Fear of integrated hospitals.

And the fact is our president has made a LOT of avoidable mistakes on things that were very foreseeable -and the fact also is that Clinton got a few incremental reforms with HIPAA and Federal Mental Health Parity.

Punting into the morass of Congress and lobbiests- well, I guess everyone's going to see what that gets.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:09 AM
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7. Some southern Dems were really just like today's Republicans
Some of them like Huey Long, Harry Truman, LBJ were actually populists. But many of them were just as economically conservative as they were socially conservative. The class system of the south was always dependent on keeping the wealth in the hands of a few.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:21 AM
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8. Southern "Democrats" ARE Republicans
or maybe it just seems that way.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:26 AM
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9. They actually seem sort of like...
Blue dogs... the fear angle is the same at any rate.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:35 AM
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10. Not really like they used to be
Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond used to be Democrats and they switched parties eventually. Today's southern Democrats like Mary Landrieu and Gene Taylor aren't liberal or progressive on the whole by any stretch of the imagination. But they are all take populist stances on certain issues when their constituents want it, whereas Republicans always vote in the interests of the wealthy 100% of the time and keep their constituents supporting them by rallying against gay marraige, abortion, and black people.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:39 AM
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11. a southern "dem" is better than an R
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 05:40 AM by CTLawGuy
in at least a southern "dem" might be convinced to vote your way, but an R will never. So I agree.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:48 AM
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12. You reckon?
Seems to me that they are far more pernicious- they bring all Americans down to their level- which is not the finest place to be in terms of public policy.

It would be like lowering all of Australians to the level of Wilson Tuckey- as opposed to moving on.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 05:56 AM
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13. Quick adenda:
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 05:58 AM by depakid
Wilson Tuckey.

We're better than this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Tuckey

We are better than this all of us every single one of us one this forum- we are -though one has to say that there are Wilson Tuckey type folks in every country. And it's our job to marginalize them.

Leastwise, that's how I see it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:59 PM
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3. Thank you, Undercurrent...more interesting
when put in perspective.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:05 PM
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4. knr - although PNHP does not support the proposed legislation. nt
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:30 AM
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5. Yes, I know.
Physicians for a National Health Program want single-payer. But reading the history it doesn't come as a surprise to me that it's not going to happen in one fell swoop.



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:04 PM
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15. Yes they believe a SP not for profit system would be the best to cover everyone....
at the least cost to our nation.

Some say this is the first step, but I'm in the camp that says the first step happened 45 years ago when Medicare was passed and now we are being asked to accept a few crumbs instead of discussing a national HC plan for everyone.


Here is what Dr. McCanne of PNHP said in January 2007 when the Health Care for America Plan was rolled out EPI and Jacob Hacker.

page 10
http://www.ourfuture.org/files/documents/evolution-of-the-healthcare-debate.pdf

“Jacob Hacker’s proposal is a very welcome addition at a time that all options should be on the table. It is such a compelling model that it may shove all others off of the table - except single payer - then we can get down to a serious discussion about reform that really works.”

What PNHP really wanted was to be a part of the discussions, we heard several times that all sides would be allowed to participate in the discussions, but just like the early 90's, not for profit advocates were silenced and ignored.

Fast forward to the end of 2007 and the beginning of 2008 and this is what Dr. McCanne stated after the National Conference on the Un and Underinsured in December 2007...

http://pnhp.org/news/2008/january/where-are-we-on-reform-part-2-hacker

"...Jacob Hacker has described very accurately the politics of health care reform. He has suggested an approach that, on surface, would appear to lead to affordable coverage for everyone, while passing the crucial test of political feasibility. His political message is very sound - in fact, so sound that the leading Democratic candidates have adopted his suggestions. He has stressed the importance of coalition building well in advance of the installation of a new government one year from now.

So what coalition activities are we seeing within the progressive community? Many respected, influential leaders state that it is time to set aside the policy debate and proceed with a political strategy that will achieve our reform goals. There is one major problem with this approach: most of the difficult policy issues have yet to be addressed. But several of these coalition leaders have told the policy community quite bluntly that the policy debate is over, and all of the activities now must be about unity. We are commanded to unify behind health care reform that promises that you can keep the insurance you have or have the option to buy into a public program.

That's it. That's the policy behind which we are to unify.
For the sake of unity, we are not to talk about the inability of the private insurance industry to provide us with affordable health plans that are comprehensive enough to meet our health care needs. We are not to talk about a public insurance program that must provide a premium that is competitive with private plans insuring the healthy, when the public plan is weighted down with high-cost patients (adverse selection)...

Those who insist on unity behind political means while suppressing clarity about policy ends will not be successful in coalition building, and clearly that is not Jacob Hacker's intent. Those of us who insist on clarity about policy ends will be there to be certain that efforts to compromise on means will be an honest, transparent, and fully informed process."




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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:57 AM
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6. Facts, facts. Who need them?
Isn't it much easier to just say that Obama isn't fighting for HCR? After all, all the great ones achieved it in the past.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 07:08 AM
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14. Failure is failure.
Is this supposed to Obama's excuse? Shut up and be grateful? If so its not going to work for John Q. Public.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:40 PM
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16. kick nt
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