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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 05:32 PM
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White House: Gitmo transfers mean jobs
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/11/22/White-House-Gitmo-transfers-mean-jobs/UPI-52431258924659/

White House: Gitmo transfers mean jobs
Published: Nov. 22, 2009 at 4:17 PM


THOMSON, Ill., Nov. 22 (UPI) -- Thousands of jobs would be created in Illinois if the U.S. government purchases a nearly empty prison there to house terror detainees, a study indicates.

The study, performed by the Obama White House Council of Economic Advisers and obtained by The Chicago Sun-Times, asserted that 2,290 to 2,960 jobs would be created in and around Thomson, Ill., in the first year after its conversion to house some of the prisoners now held at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility, the newspaper reported Sunday.

Local residents in the Illinois-Iowa border town would be "good candidates" to fill 1,240 to 1,410 of those jobs, the report indicated.

The newspaper published the results of the study as Sens. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, toured the Thomson facility and met with local officials. Durbin has said the prison could be refurbished to house as many as 100 of the 215 remaining Guantanamo detainees.

The Sun-Times said report estimated that the U.S. Bureau of Prisons would take up 75 percent of the facility and the Defense Department would use 25 percent of the space for the detainees -- essentially two "entirely separate facilities side by side."
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 05:41 PM
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1. Now we're talking...crank up the prison/industrial complex.....
When the new health care bill passes, we can load the prisons with people who can't afford mandated insurance coverage.

Max Baucus just bought a brand new pair of two-tone wingtips and he is laughing all the way to the bank.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 05:47 PM
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2. The prison is empty, the residents need jobs. Sounds like a win-win
to me. Oh, and you swallowed the wingnut talking points with the crack about health coverage.

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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:09 PM
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21. No no. You got it wrong. Prison empty = good, prison full = bad.
"Prison full = good" is rightwing talk.

And win-win for whom?
For the future inmates it's a no-win. Their lives have been destroyed years ago.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 05:51 PM
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3. Dumbest post I've seen in a while
Somebody may have made a goober in tying gitmo to jobs - but you tying it to Americans being able to see a doctor is beyond belief.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:22 PM
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8. But you gotta admit
those shoes are pretty cool!
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:18 PM
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22. Well, as reply to the dumbest release from the White House in a while it has its merits.
and I think the "doctor" part that enrages you could be satire.
For the rest it's fine.

I find the press release disgusting beyond belief.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 05:52 PM
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4. What is it with the fucking rw talking points around here?
You just love them so much..is that it?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:10 PM
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5. This is why I can't tell the difference from Freepers and supposed "leftists"...
They both say the same stupid shit. It's mindboggling really. I'm tired of the Medicare cut one too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:18 PM
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6. I never knew the
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 06:18 PM by Cha
"left" went with lies too until after Obama got elected.

I always thought I was Left..turns out I'm into reality.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:26 PM
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9. Yea its getting really hard to tell the difference
especially around DU
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123m456h789d Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:18 PM
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7. Soldier's reactions to President Obama

Margie Bauman

U.S. President Barack Obama speaks to troops and their families at Elmendorf Air Force base in Anchorage, Alaska Thursday Nov. 13, 2009 during a refueling stop for Air Force One on his trip to visit Japan, Singapore, China and South Korea.


INTRO: Alaska Star contributor Nina Peacock joined dozens of reporters and writers from across Alaska Thursday inside Hanger 1 at Elmendorf Air Force Base to observe President Barack Obama's arrival in Alaska. Obama is on his way to Japan, and Air Force One stopped in Alaska, as it has done with presidents before, to refuel on base. This is Obama's first time in Alaska, although he has said it will not count as a true visit until he is able to see more of the state.

Obama entered Hanger 1 to handfuls of cameras held up in the air, soldiers and airmen packed into the space in front of his podium, and a roaring crowd, who had waited from as early at 8:30 a.m. to see and hear the president. After Obama's greeting, Peacock spoke with airmen and soldiers about their impressions of the president. Here are her interviews below:

Name: Airman 1st Class Cody Nations, Air Force

What do you think about the president coming here today?

I think it was a great experience. It was great to take time out of his schedule ... and good that he met with some of the families of injured soldiers, even (families of) soldiers that have died from the war. He was laid back. It was a very personal talk ... from a different perspective than I've seen in the military. That's the third consecutive president that I saw. I saw Bill Clinton, George Bush, and now him.

How did you get to see those other presidents in person?

Bill Clinton came to my hometown in North Caroline about a year and a half ago; he was campaigning for Hillary (Clinton). I got to speak with him, shake his hand, and get a picture of him. George Bush, I saw him in Washington, D.C. ... with my father.

This is the first time seeing a president live while being in the military. So, it was a little bit different experience. This time it was a little more personal. I listened a little bit more and I took to heart what we had to say.

You said, you listened more - why was that?

When I went to see George Bush and I saw Bill Clinton, ... I was in awe. Now being in the military, having the uniform on, I actually took to heart what the president had to say. I wasn't just kind of listening and being a bystander. Now it's more that I'm actually wanting to hear what President Obama had to say. I wanted to hear what he had to say.

Because it's going to effect you directly, what you do...

Definitely, definitely affects me directly. I'll never forget it, like I said. It was a great experience because not many people get to see a president in office in person.

Plus he's your boss!

Yeah. He is my overall No. 1 boss. We work together.

He said a lot of things that would affect you guys - increasing pay, family, not sending you into a place of danger unless it's necessary...

Right, and that's stuff that we listen to because, let's face it, we would love to get paid more. We would love to not have to go and put ourselves in harm's way and have to worry about our families, but we do that, we make that sacrifice, we take the oath and that's why we do it. Even though some of the things that we do are hard, it's moments like this that make it all worth it.

Why do moments like this make it worth it?

Because, you see how great this country is. This is not only your boss - he is the president in the greatest country in the world, (and he) is speaking to us, almost personally and directly. To hear him say thanks, instead of listening to him on the radio or seeing him on television, it just makes it all worthwhile.

Name: Staff Sgt. Marquitta Pinckney, Air Force

Did you get to shake is hand?

I did get to shake his hand.

What's your reflection on the president's visit?

This is a historical moment for me, I mean the first African-American president, and myself being African American, to me it was personal. And then being in the military, everything that he spoke about, all the promises that he made as far as taking care of the military, taking care of the country, it just makes me proud to serve. I don't think I've had a more proud moment being in the military then I did today.

Anything in particular that he said that was memorable?

It's pretty much that since we go out there and fight on the front lines, just knowing that when we come back home, our families are going to take care of us and America's going to take care of us. So, to me that's what I took most out of it.

Do you feel like the military has Obama's support?

Absolutely, 100 percent. Just by him coming out, taking the time to visit and speak to us. I know he was stopping here to ... refuel Air Force One, but the simple fact that he took time out of his schedule to come and talk to the military members, how much more support can you give?

Name: Tech. Sgt. Kisha Richardson - Air Force, whose husband is currently in Afghanistan

(On shaking President Obama's hand, along with her two sons, who also personally greeted him:) I was excited! I didn't want to let it go! I said, 'Oh, Lord. Oh, my goodness.'

You got pictures too?

Oh yeah, I got plenty of pictures. And then my hands started shaking.

Tell me the plan from the beginning - you went up there, and...

I planned, I wanted to shake his hand. That's all I wanted to do was shake his hand. I was here early - got here before the first bus arrived. I said, I'm going to get here early, the only thing I want to do was shake his hand. And that's what I did - I shook his hand tight. The second time, I didn't want to let him go by.

Is there any particular reason why you love Obama so?

I like what he means. I like what he said. And like he said today, he is not going to send us if he does not have a reason. So I was glad that he made that clear. Especially with me wearing a uniform.

Name: Staff Sgt. Neshanne Dean - Air Force

What were you feelings about Obama coming here today?

Well, it was exciting seeing him in person, and to actually give a speech, it was kind of inspiring. He's just very charismatic. It was really nice to hear how much he supported us and how he's increasing our pay and increasing the goods for the Air Force and the military al together actually.

He did seem really comfortable up there...

Yeah... he was able to relate with everybody without being robotic up there.

How do you feel politically?

I am a fan. I'm from Oregon, so very democratic.

Name: Staff Sgt. Terrence Lewis - Army

What's your reaction to the event today?

Oh, it was great. You know, to be able to be this close on the president, to hear him speak, to actually be in the room and feel the electricity of the room - it was great.

What's your sentiment about President Obama, his politics?

I really like what he's doing with the country right now. That fact that he's not going to rush to make a decision with the soldiers but letting us know that if we need to go in harm's way, he will send us in harm's way but he's going to take care of the soldiers and their families.

Do you have any concerns that you think he was addressing in terms of how the Army takes care of soldiers' families?

When soldiers return back from their tours and duty... whatever the problem is, that the country's going to make sure that they that rehabilitation that they need.

Name: 1st Lt. Robinson Matammu - Air Force

What were your reactions today to seeing president Obama?

I liked it, he took time out of his schedule just to come and talk to his troops. It was more than just a stop to refuel. He came out here and wanted to be here.

How does that make you feel?

I like it a lot. He showed that he cared for us and what we do, and he didn't forget our families either.

Is that really important to you - family?

Yeah because, the person in uniform is not the only person there, you know? You got your whole family backing you up.

Name: 1st Lt. Macmillan Achu - Air Force

What's your reaction to the event today?

You know, I was really touched by his speech. Just focusing on the actual importance of the military, people get out of sight of that. I'm very impressed by (Obama) talking about the importance of the military.

Is there any part that was particularly touching to you?

Talking about the military families ... is very important because whatever you do at home, it helps you out with what you do in the workplace. If I have problems at home, it's harder to work, and we do what's best in those situations... to take care of the family, it's very important.

What kind of feeling did you have this morning, knowing that you were going to come here, wait in line, see the president?

I really wanted to meet him and shake his hand, actually, but I didn't get a chance because I was too far back, but I'll get my chances. He's a great guy, I think. I think a lot of the focus is on politics. But I think you need to go and look beyond politics and look at the nation as a whole. We see the focus on politics, but what's important is what's right for our country. What it is that we need for our country is what's important. What decisions that we make, that's what's important. It's not the political aspects of it. It's what we do, as Americans.

Name: 1st Lt. Andrew Conatser - Air Force

So what are your reactions?

I thought it was really good. It was nice for him to stop by, especially because of what happened in Fort Hood last week.

Anything in particular that was meaningful to you?

Just the fact that he took the time to stop by. It's the first time I've ever seen a president in person.

Is it meaningful to you then that Obama came to Alaska?

It's meaningful to me because it happened while Obama was in Alaska. If I would have been in Tennessee, then it would have been meaningful in Tennessee. So, it is meaningful because it was the first time I had seen him but for me when I look back on it in 20 years, 25 years, it will be in Alaska.

Name: Tech. Sgt. Eric Caudill - Air Force

Tell me why you came here today.

Basically, just to hear the president's message. With Veterans Day being yesterday and the tragedy at Fort Hood, I just felt it was important to be here to see that support.

Was there anything particularly memorable about what Obama said?

Yes, the fact that America's behind us. That's extremely important to me. The family members, and everything else of those serving overseas right now, they really are the backbone, and for him to recognize them, that's very, very important to me
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:40 PM
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10. Thanks for this..
"Do you feel like the military has Obama's support?

Absolutely, 100 percent. Just by him coming out, taking the time to visit and speak to us. I know he was stopping here to ... refuel Air Force One, but the simple fact that he took time out of his schedule to come and talk to the military members, how much more support can you give?"


Sorry, to be persnickity but do you have a link?
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123m456h789d Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:15 PM
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11. Do you feel like the military has Obama's support?
Absolutely, 100 percent. Just by him coming out, taking the time to visit and speak to us. I know he was stopping here to ... refuel Air Force One, but the simple fact that he took time out of his schedule to come and talk to the military members, how much more support can you give?"

http://homernews.com/stories/111309/news_srp.shtml

and

Alaska star News Paper
Link
http://www.alaskastar.com/stories/111309/New_sip.shtml
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:19 PM
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12. Thank you for the links and
Welcome to DU!
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:25 PM
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13. How to find qualified personnel? There probably are no local waterboarders.
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 07:53 PM by Duende azul
So all the better paid jobs will be filled in by non locals.

And have they ever thought about those who stand to loose their jobs at Guantanamo?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:26 PM
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14. Don't be stupid.
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:41 PM
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18. Thanks for your kind advice.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:27 PM
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15. Man, you're with it. Torture was 'so' the last admin. nt
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:51 PM
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19. torture is STILL going on , oh CLUELESS one.
Obama hasn't skipped a beat. google "torture is still going on under Obama" and educate yourself.
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:51 PM
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20. Yeah. And Guantanamo should be closed by january. It's so last admin.


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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:28 PM
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16. no one would lose jobs at gitmo
there are no local employees of gitmo it is on Cuba.
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:38 PM
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17. But did you forget
about those brave men and women serving there?
They get their paychecks for doing what they're doing there.
Will they now be transferred to Bagram?
Guantanamo at least for them is pretty save.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 08:31 PM
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23. actually I would assume they would be given other jobs on that base
but even if they went to other prisons they would still have jobs.
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 04:28 AM
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27. Sorry, I don't really care about them.
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 04:29 AM by Duende azul
If the sarcasm wasn't evident, my bad. Sorry if it was misleading.
But I really thought the article in the OP was so absurd and disgusting that there was no sarcasm tag needed.

Probably a lot of those folks are guilty. I can't imagine how one could work at Guantanamo without participating in criminal activities or at least witnessing what was going on.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 09:03 PM
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24. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!! Isn't that what many at DU have been
griping at President Obama about? Let's see we have read he is a failure when it comes to creating jobs, his administration doesn't care about US workers, blah..blah..blah..

So we have a multi-million dollar facility that sits empty in a region that desperately could use the jobs, once the facility is up and running that means the peripheral small companies that provide services to the prisons can start spinning up again and they can hire people and it goes on and on...that is the great American way.

Oh and I can pretty much bet it's the same crowd blaming President Obama for not closing Gitmo fast enough...WTF...make up your minds. He literally kills two birds with one stone as the saying goes....and all you can do is gripe because the article is giving plain facts.

Everyone wants ever thing dressed up and pretty so it can be consumable...get over it. It's time for Americans to stop being so whiny and face up to the fact that the next couple of years are going to be hard. This isn't the fake Reagan years where tricklenomics ruled the day....these are the years where the US pays the price for 30 years of tricklenomics and it's not going to be fixed overnight!! :rant:
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 04:16 AM
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26. If you want to use that facility, let the prosecution of the torturers start.
Do it from the top down.
The prison would be filled with people who really belong there.

That would be job creation to cheer about.



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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 10:02 PM
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25. I swear at first I thought you meant that "mean jobs" were being transfered from Gitmo.
:P

K and R.
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