Poll: Public shifting blame for recession

[babsbunny]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/20/poll.recession/index.html

Washington (CNN) -- Nearly two years into the recession, opinion about which political party is responsible for the severe economic downturn is shifting, according to a new national poll.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Friday morning indicates that 38 percent of the public blames Republicans for the country's current economic problems. In May, 53 percent blamed the GOP.

According to the poll, 27 percent now blame the Democrats for the recession, up 6 points from May, and 27 percent now say both parties are responsible.

[Tansy_Gold]

1. And this surprises? Of course not

The Dems were all talk and now they're no action.



Wankers.





TG

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. "The Public" used to delight watching "witches" get killed. "Public" = "ignorance"

The big area under the curve that equals the greater public are shallow thinking, easily persuaded people who couldn't think their way out of a paper bag, let alone hold any complex thoughts and reasons for any length of time.

So no surprise here. Just disappointments.

[Kdillard]

5. ITA . I don't know what people expected or thought but nobody or party

Could painlessly turn things around within a few months especially when the problems have been building for years.

[MadMaddie]

17. Kdillard you can say it one hundred times

over and over and you will have those that are so enamored with being satisfied in a blink of an eye that they refuse to understand that the ball of string (The state of the US) has to be untangled to wrap it back up correctly. They refuse to look at history, they refuse to look at the obstruction that the Repugs and the Conservadems are doing, they refuse to look at the entire mess that the previous administration left behind.

Do they honestly believe McCain and Palin would have stopped the freefall? We should have a speculation party on what the state the US would be in if they had won. I will start, we would be in a type of civil war right now.

[girl gone mad]

19. One could point out..

the shallowness of your defense by saying that the problems on Wall Street were building for years, too, yet the government found a way to turn things around for investment bankers within a few weeks.

Unemployment, declining wages and inflation in health care and education costs are problems that preceded the IB insolvency crisis, yet these plebeian concerns have gone largely unaddressed.

[fasttense]

3. Not much of a change.

Seems that mostly people are moving from blaming JUST the Republicons to blaming BOTH parties.

I use to think it was all the Republicon's fault too. Now, I know some Democratic leaders participated in the destruction of our economy.

So, the change seems to me to be a recognition of the facts. The change is a recognition that current Democratic leaders are unwilling to move rapidly to improve the economy for anyone else besides the uber wealthy.

[old mark]

4. GOP spent a lot of money and time on the MSM trying like hell to make

that shift - they are just getting started.
The Republicans are preparing for 2010, hoping the Dems will sit home and complain instead of voting.

Vote first, complain after.


mark

[CTLawGuy]

24. yup

they are hoping to profit from their obstruction game and the far left is acting like their useful idiot.

[quantass]

6. The public has short memories and very gullable to GOP lies...but Demcrats are to blame for lack of

action....caving into silly GOP games ultimately leads to lack of action and in ways shows complicity...so i am not surprised the public has grown angry with democrats too. What impresses me is how that 53% hatefest for republicans is now only 38%....its proof the public doesnt care what the republicans do in office to destroy the country....give it a few years and they will vote you back into office regardless.

[Cha]

11. There's no lack of action..quit trying to rewrite our history.

[Better Believe It]

7. If the Obama administration had proposed a strong stimulus program the public would support Obama

But, permitting three Republican Senators to gut a stimulus program and load it up with tax cuts guaranteed its failure.

[Cha]

10. Quit blaming President Obama for everything..

[Garam_Masala]

12. The Buck stops where? n/t

[Cha]

14. The Fucking buck stops with learning some history..

History is not a dirty word.

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Edit~ "Think Again: “History” Isn’t a Dirty Word

By Eric Alterman | November 19, 2009
"Last week, Mike Allen and Jim Vandehei at Politico reported that the White House planned on making deficit reduction a centerpiece of the next State of the Union address. Allen and Vandehei called the decision “practical” saying that “Obama has spent more money on new programs in nine months than Bill Clinton did in eight years, pushing the annual deficit to $1.4 trillion. This leaves little room for big spending initiatives.” This fact is taken completely out of the context of the recession. The title of the article refers to the White House's “spending binge.” The deficits, tax cuts, and spending of the previous administration are ignored entirely.

It’s not exactly news that most members of MSM are almost purposely amnesiac. There is no greater insult to a reporter than to call his story “history.” And yet once upon a time, it was only yesterday that was old news. Nowadays, with the new neverending cable/talk-radio/blogosphere-driven news cycle, we are all supposed to have forgotten the past fifteen minutes. (There is actually a headline on the Drudge Report as I write this that the Associated Press went to the trouble of looking at the record and seeing whether any of the outrageous claims made in Sarah Palin’s memoir are true. The idea appears to be if it says so in a book, it’s wrong of a journalist to actually check the record. The (surprise, surprise) Fox News story contains no link to the AP story, further making the point that the record is really irrelevant to the story."

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[Beacool]

8. That's the way it goes.

After a year in power a president and his party are considered to own the economy, good or bad, and bad it's all we got right now.

:-(

[Cha]

9. A cnn poll where the viewers get all facts?

Yeah, I believe people are that stupid.

[depakid]

13. FDR rarely missed an opportunity to remind the public who was responsible

and the opposition wasn't able to coopt the issues or paint him as an enabler of banksters.

[Hippo_Tron]

22. That's a good point

The Democrats used Hoover as a red herring up until at least the 1950's.

[depakid]

23. Hoover simply refused to enact the appropriate policies

Although one can say in Hoover's case that this book hadn't been written yet:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Theory_of_Employment,_Interest_and_Money

In this case, we can say on the other hand, that some several books and articles have been written since- and their theories tried- and failed.

Does that make ole Depa a neo Keynesian? In some respects, maybe so.

In the sense that we all have a pretty good grasp of what doesn't work.

[uponit7771]

33. Trickle Down Economics in the 20s was called the "Horse & Sparrow" theory THAT'S what Hoover was...

...convinced that could work kinda like Obama is convinced that the feds feeding the banks will eventually feed the rest of the economy and that's not turning out to be true cause small business lending has decreased more than 10 percent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

[democracy1st]

26. FDR would not have allowed Goldman Sachs appointments

[uponit7771]

31. Kennedy was in his admin,

[uponit7771]

30. AMEN!!!

[slipslidingaway]

15. Both parties nt

[Gman2]

16. The problem is not a party, it is Reagan conventional wisdoms, commited by BOTH parties.

for thirty years. To blame a Dem pres, is stupid, as you couldnt buck the tide. REAGAN idiotic conventional wisdoms should have been the target of ridicule, not who did the deed. SUPPLY SIDE ECON. is the culprit.

[gordianot]

18. 100% correct. Not only that the term "supply side" has almost left the poltical lexicon.

At this point it is questionable any President of any party can turn this around.

[uponit7771]

32. Yeap, I've said for the longest that the DNC is doing us wrong by NOT pointing out trickle down

....economics hurts the middle class because the upper class has an outlet via the equity indexes and bonds not the middle class.

[ItNerd4life]

35. Actually, that's what the Democratic rallying cry should be.

Stop blaming people and blame the process. Fix the process!

[uponit7771]

36. YEAP!!!

[Better Today]

20. Well, IMO Obama should've come in and started tons of infrastructure

projects instead of bailing out the banks. With so many roads and bridges in need of repairs and more. I understand his desire to make an economy for the future, but for now these things are here and need attention and would require workers similar to ones who've lost their jobs in construction and manufacturing.

It is the Obama admin's economy now.

[Gman2]

21. Every DIME Obama spent was proof he was a socialist/communist/fascist.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

27. No matter what he did or didn't do, he was a socialist/communist/fascist

as far as the GOP noise machine was concerned.

[democracy1st]

25. The Goldman Sachs appointments has taken a toll on the Admin's credibility

[Enthusiast]

28. But that credibility has declined

mostly with those on the left and independents.

Prominent members of the GOP are already complaining that the administration is going to over-regulate the financial services industry.

[HughBeaumont]

29. Unsubstantiated corporate greed is responsible for today's economic problems.

28 years of Republican and moderate rule helped aid and abet their vision of gutting a diverse middle class. They hung everyone from the HS grad who used to be able to support a family with an assembler job to the small business owner to the degreed individuals out to dry.

It seems to me that no one thought of sitting these CEOs down . . . really, all of them . . . and explain to them why their short term, cost-batshit policies are killing the workers and destroying the long-term future of this country.

[high density]

34. Corporatist Democrats aren't helping

Though I do think the 27% that blame the Democrats are the blinded Hannity/Beck fringe.