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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 01:35 AM Original message |
How is Congress Going to Make HCR Better Next Year? |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. This shows how out of touch the Senate really is. They think we |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Here's one of my favorites.... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. That's a great bill but what is the plan to actually get it passed? |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Oh I agree, it's not an easy task... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 02:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Nope. Not one of those "oh what should have been!" OPs. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 03:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Well, a month ago I didn't think they would get Lieberman or Nelson's votes... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 03:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The got those votes by removing the very things they're promising to put back. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
74. They gave away the farm for Lieberman's vote |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. or, your opinion is not gold and you have no way of knowing what will happen. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. So you don't know of a plan but you can try to shit all over the thread with snark. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
82. neither of us know anything. it's the future. either one of us, or none of us could be right on what |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
75. Saying, 'they will fix it later,' is another way of saying, 'they blew it.' |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. or, it's believing it's a starting point to build upon. all a matter of opinion... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm kicking this because there hasn't been a single attempt to explain a plan. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That's because there isn't a plan |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Exactly! This plan will only get worse, not better. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. Still no takers? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. You're ignoring the takers now here. n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Who have nothing to contribute other than snarky comments |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Nobody has replied to MY post. n/t |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. That's because you couldn't wait over 10 minutes before throwing a fit about it. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. You couldn't wait past 10 minutes? Very weak. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. They will fix it the same way they fixed NAFTA and PATRIOT |
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shadesofgray (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. +1 |
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yourout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. +2 |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
87. And NCLB (nt) |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
90. PATRIOT has been revised many times, |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. knr for an answer ... |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. All the answers to your questions are right here |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. So the plan is to read how a bill technically becomes law? |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Here's a thought |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Yeah, it's always easier to try to fix something twice rather than once. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. You don't know what needs fixing |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. Next year? They're NOT. Nor will they in two years. This is the best bill they can get |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. you're wasting your breath. *sigh* |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I suppose I am... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. It is a waste of breath when she doesn't answer the question. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Are you saying I didn't answer the question? n/.t |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Yes, I am. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. None of them said they'd fix the problems next year. I answered your question. n/t |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. You answered with a false statement. Weak. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Find me ONE link anywhere on the web where a Dem. in congress says they can fix the bill next year. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Kick to repeat the request. n/t |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. How sad is it that Obama supporters have gone from Yes we can! to No, we can't |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. What's sad is that you, a Dem., don't consider yourself an Obama supporter. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. When Obama starts supporting us, that might change. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. He IS supporting us. You just choose to ignore everything he's doing and |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Obama has gotten the bill he wants. He even said so. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. He also said he got the bill he wanted when the House had the public option in it... |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Once again, that is completely not true. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. What? You're saying he didn't praise the House version, the earlier Senate version, |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Once again, Yes. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. He was just as pleased with every version that passed because he knew they were the |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
67. DADT, DOMA is not what I would refer as supporting us |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. I support policies- not politicians |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. If they're not going to make it better, its not a start its an end. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Wrong. Just because it can't be improved NOW doesn't mean it won't EVER be |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. We have 60 Democrats and a massive electoral victory behind us. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. It seems 60 wasn't the number. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. K&R |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. We don't have 60 libs/progressives. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. That's not a plan, its a wet dream. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You can't reply to me because I'm calling you out on your false premise that Obama or another |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. Harkin's been pushing the "starter home" metaphor. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Don't expect an answer to that. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Yes, "with time" the "starter home" can be built upon. But again, nobody said the bill will be |
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burning rain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. It's not a false premise. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Ask your Congressman |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Nobody SAID they could make the bill better next year. PERIOD. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. He knows that |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. LOL! I'm not interested in running around in circles with a propagandist. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Why should I treat your questions seriously? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Like I said, plenty of snark and bullshit but no answers from the cheerleaders. |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Yeah I know... |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
45. Well, if the bill is as bad as most people here claim it is |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. "Hand wringing" is whining about those of us pointing out the flaws here. |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
56. Maybe Dorgan's drug reimportation bill has a chance. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. The Obama administration killed the last attempt at reimportation. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. So far, plenty of snark, insults and denials but no answers. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Yes-there ISN'T an answer to how the bill can be fixed next year because nobody |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-07-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I told you that I won't continue responding to propaganda and deceptions. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Is this the last, last, last time you will say it? |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 03:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Way to butt into something that doesn't concern you. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 03:16 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. A simple, 'yes,' would have sufficed |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #68 |
83. You can say you're done with me all you want. It won't stop me from posting the TRUTH-that NOBODY |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 04:49 AM Response to Original message |
79. Clinton did lose congress though and under Pres. Obama welfare got several extension in these hard.. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
80. for one |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Why regurgitate talking points that have already been proved false? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. if you asked many senators |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:45 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. You're using a false analogy. That was the point. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. my positiion has always been the same |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Yes, health care harms the working class when they still can't afford to use it. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. that would still be better than having no insurance |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-08-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. btw |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 04:41 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Did the original SS force people to pay money to monopolies? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. it taxed working people |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. It taxed working people who then received the benefits. You know this. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. this bill gives people access to insurance |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Iit doesn't matter how often you try to link this with social security, it's just not working. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. fine |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Propaganda isn't reason, it's just regurgitated talking points. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
91. They can't: the leverage will be gone. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
92. They aren't and they won't be improving squat before another effort would HAVE to be tried |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
101. Improving the bill |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-09-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. dont'cha know that Krugman |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 02:56 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. You mean |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 03:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. A plan that will degrade a bad situation won't need to be improved or expanded but rather replaced |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 03:26 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. No, we still like him, we just don't agree this time. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. he dumped just about every promise? |
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secondwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-10-10 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
110. amendments and revisions will come slowly, thru the years, but we need to ram |
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