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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:35 AM
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Venezuela's ambassador answers New York Slimes' columnnist. Yes, we got no bananas!
Venezuela a "Banana Republic"? Venezuelan Ambassador Responds to Kristof

By BERNARDO ÁLVAREZ HERRERA, NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF - NY TIMES, November 11th 2010

The Venezuelan ambassador in Washington responds to an article by New York Times writer Nicholas D. Kristof that labelled Venezuela a "banana republic". Below is the response, followed by Kristof's original article.

Re “Our Banana Republic,” by Nicholas D. Kristof (column, Nov. 7):

In an otherwise excellent column about inequality in the United States, Mr. Kristof refers to Venezuela as a “banana republic.” Besides the problem of using such a degrading term — not to mention one so closely linked to foreign imperialism — it does not apply to Venezuela.

The term “banana republic” was coined to refer to small countries largely dependent on agricultural goods, ruled by a small and unaccountable elite and generally servile to American corporate interests.

Venezuela does not fit this billing. Known more for its oil than its agricultural goods, Venezuela is a vibrant democracy, unlike many of the traditional “banana republics” Mr. Kristof may have been thinking of.

On the issue of inequality, though, Venezuela may prove to be an example for the United States. Over the last decade, social programs begun by President Hugo Chávez have brought needed services like education and health to underserved sectors of the population.

Beyond a dramatic drop in poverty from 49 percent to 27 percent from 1999 to 2008, Venezuela has also seen inequality diminish, so much so that the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean ranked it highest for inequality reduction among 12 neighboring countries in the region.


Bernardo Álvarez Herrera
Ambassador of Venezuela
Washington, Nov. 8, 2010

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Our Banana Republic


By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

In my reporting, I regularly travel to banana republics notorious for their inequality. In some of these plutocracies, the richest 1 percent of the population gobbles up 20 percent of the national pie.

But guess what? You no longer need to travel to distant and dangerous countries to observe such rapacious inequality. We now have it right here at home — and in the aftermath of Tuesday’s election, it may get worse.

The richest 1 percent of Americans now take home almost 24 percent of income, up from almost 9 percent in 1976. As Timothy Noah of Slate noted in an excellent series on inequality, the United States now arguably has a more unequal distribution of wealth than traditional banana republics like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Guyana.
(MORE)

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5776

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What I find interesting about this exchange is that the country with one of the worst rich/poor discrepancies in Latin America--Colombia--where Chiquita International actually does produce bananas, and where Chiquita executives admitted hiring rightwing death squads who murdered trade unionists on Chiquita farms--is not mentioned by Kristoff. His mind leaps to Venezuela, where the leftist government has actually DONE SOMETHING about poverty--drastically reduced it, in fact--but he ignores THE most scandalous U.S. foreign policy situation in the region--a scandal involving...

-- the dire poverty that most Colombians suffer;
--$7 BILLION in U.S. military aid to a government and military with one of the worst human rights records on earth, where thousands of trade unionists, human rights workers, teachers, community activists, journalists, political leftists, peasant farmers and others have been brutally murdered by the Colombian military and its death squads;
--a country where state terror has driven FIVE MILLION peasant farmers from their lands--THE worst human displacement crisis on earth;
--a country where U.S. taxpayer money is being used to help Colombians kill Colombians in a 70-year civil war;
--a country where the cocaine just keeps on flowing;
--a country where the U.S. puppet, Alvaro Uribe, stated that everyone who opposes him is a "terrorist," with Uribe getting honored by the Obama administration with a prestigious appointment to an international legal commission (!) and an academic sinecure at Georgetown U.

But perhaps the most scandalous item of all is that our current U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, was the Chiquita executives' lawyer--the one who got them off with a handslap during the Bush Junta, for their death squad activities on their banana farms in Colombia!

Colombia is THE most disreputable, murderous, corrupt U.S.-supported "banana republic" now, or ever. And Kristoff picks on Venezuela, where a remarkable and heartening leftist democracy revolution has taken place. Is this ignorance on Kristoff's part? Has he read too many Simon Romero/New York Slimes hit pieces on the Chavez government to be sentient any more? Or is he fully aware of what he did in this column--slimed Venezuela while ignoring the HUMONGOUS SCANDAL OF COLOMBIA because his uber-rich bosses want a U.S./Colombia "free trade for the rich" agreement and LOVE the war profiteers who are chewing on the bones of leftists in Colombia like the vultures that they are?

In one case, the Colombian military and its death squads hacked up the leftists, while alive, and threw their body parts into mass graves. In another, they lured young men with promises of jobs, murdered them and dressed up their bodies like FARC guerrillas, to up their "body count"--to earn bonuses and to impress U.S. senators. In another, the pollution from up to 2,000 bodies in a mass grave--in a region of particular interest and activity by the USAID and the U.S. military--poisoned the local water supply and sickened local children who drank from it. That's how the mass grave was found.

The list goes on of the most heinous acts by war criminals armed, "trained' and funded by the United States. I am not exaggerating about war profiteer vultures. Some fifty trade unionists have been murdered in Colombia this year alone. Almost 40,000 people have been 'disappeared' over the last decade. And Chiquita International is just ONE U.S. multinational corporation that utilizes this murderous fascist establishment to make money. Drummond Coal, Monsanto, Dyncorp, Blackwater--they're all there, salivating over more "free trade for the rich" that their Pukes in this Diebold U.S. Congress are going to give them.

Kristoff FAILS TO CONNECT THE DOTS between the rich/poor discrepancy in the U.S. and the even worse one in Colombia. He disses Venezuela--the chief targeted Latin American "enemy" of the fuckers who are screwing us over as well.

"So we face a choice," he write. "Is our economic priority the jobless, or is it zillionaires?" How about those zillionaires at Chiquita, hm--the ones Eric Holder got a sweet deal for, on their death squads? How about the zillionaires at Blackwater--recently "fined" by the U.S. State Department for "unauthorized" "trainings" of "foreign persons" IN COLOMBIA "for use in Iraq and Afghanistan"?

Colombia is one of the chosen countries for more outsourcing of U.S. jobs. Yet they get a pass, and Venezuela gets slimed as "banana republic"!

I don't know if Kristoff's brain is rattled, or if he is collusive in the propaganda against Venezuela. All I know is that a once great newspaper has become fishwrap on too many issues, with Latin America currently top of the list, displacing the WMDs that weren't in Iraq.

:puke:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:35 AM
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1. As an aside
you may be interested to learn that our major supermarket chains here in the UK only sell Fair Trade bananas.

Rec'd.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:44 AM
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2. Ecuador has lots of bananas, Ven doesn't export much besides oil n.t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:30 AM
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3.  You mentioned something I hadn't even realized, yet. The Congressional Democrats
are going to lose their ability to call attention to the need for Colombia to start prosecuting the murders of union workers, human rights workers, journalists, clergy who serve the poor, helpless, disenfranchised, teachers, even the political comedian, and all leftists, and all the "false positives" they have murdered and thrown into the mass graves.

They will lose their ability to protest the gross violations of human rights because the Republicans will make sure every effort is made to indulge the Colombian government's smallest whim, with their blessings. We know what Republicans have thought of the working class, and the poor right here in our country. They couldn't care less how many people get murdered in Colombia or anywhere else as long as it keeps right-wingers in power.

Glad you have mentioned the fact Colombia has surpassed even Sudan now in the number of displaced, dispossessed, homeless, suffering people. That's a truly enormous distinction.

About the biggest, the worst Banana Republic you could ever find, unless the Republicans finally get their chance to do the same thing here.

And yep, by using their dirty, unverifiable, Republican-owned, controlled voting machines, they can make it happen.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 09:58 AM
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4. nope, displaced does NOT mean homeless. you don't have a clue
the Senate and the President still can address Colombia issues as they see fit. however, it is obvious that the Obama administration continues to value Colombia as an ally, rightfully so. The administration should continue to advance the cause of human rights while at the same time supporting efforts to erradicate the guerrillas and paras. The drug war is another issue all together.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:33 AM
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5. honest question:
you said: " The Congressional Democrats

are going to lose their ability to call attention to the need for Colombia to start prosecuting the murders of union workers, human rights workers, journalists, clergy who serve the poor, helpless, disenfranchised, teachers, even the political comedian, and all leftists, and all the "false positives" they have murdered and thrown into the mass graves.

They will lose their ability to protest the gross violations of human rights because the Republicans will make sure every effort is made to indulge the Colombian government's smallest whim, with their blessings"

Did you really have a lot of faith in Congressional Dems? Sure they are better than the R's, but I wouldn' exactly count on them to buck the corporate-political system in the U.S.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:48 AM
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6. They already postponed the FTA with Colombia 2 years due to Colombia's
disregard for human life, due to the fact they've only bothered to try maybe 2% of all these murderers. Small wonder, since the people getting murdered, assassinated are people who disapprove of the right-wing government, and of the extreme separation between the very few wealthy Colombians and the fast majority of extremely poor Colombians, a real caste system.

There are a few GREAT Democrats. Paul Wellstone was one, he strongly fought Plan Colombia, tried to find out all he could about the deadly, wildly destructive, vastly overreaching aerial spraying, and look where it got him. He even got doused by by industrial strength Roundup, a "mistake" from a spraying airplane on a trip to Colombia. Probably considered high humor by Pastrana's administration. George H. W. Bush made no effort publicly to conceal his hatred for Wellstone.

There have been some amazingly slimy sell-out Democrats, but as you saw in this election, at least half of them got pitched out. Good riddance to bad rubbish. In time, real Democrats will take their place.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:57 AM
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7. Thanks for info..
I always assumed however that FTA was postponed at the behest of US labor unions, and human rights was just an excuse, but I defer to your judgement on this I do not know enough.

I agree re: Wellstone being a great guy.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:42 AM
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8. The US labor unions weren't the only reason for the postponement of the FTA.
Many Democratic congresspeople have their own ethical beliefsm and standards, and simply don't believe it's appropriate to pile boatloads of money into a government which allows these things to happen.

Didn't you realize that Uribe's head of the F.A.S., Jorge Noguera was found, himself, to be handing off lists of political enemies for the paras to assassinate long ago? Once the Colombian Prosecutors started looking into him, he fled the country and had to be tracked down by Interpol a couple of years ago.

Uribe's entire cabinet was filled with people close to these narcotrafficking monsters, as well as over 60 Senators from Uribe's own political party, many of them already hustled off to serve their prison sentences. They probably felt it was necessary to do this, to throw some under the bus to create the picture the Uribe government really wasn't corrupt itself, and was weeding out the "bad apples." Unfortunately the "bad apples" go all the way to Uribe, his brother, cousin, etc., as gathered from people who testified to these facts on the stand.

At least one of these former paras who testified to Uribe's ties to the paras was himself wildly murdered after his testimony was given.

You really need to start looking into the subject.

Of course US unions are absolutely furious about these many, MANY murders of their brethren and sisters in Colombia. You can be damned sure of that. That's not going to change, although Republicans don't have the slightest concern with it, since the murders are an expression of right-wing will to control the price of labor, which is the same everywhere. As you know, they intend to try to eliminate the U.S. minimum wage.

I sincerely wish they could burn in hell, or get to experience the kind of treatment union activists have received at the hands of the torture-loving "headcutter" assassins.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:52 AM
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9. Like RWingnuts, attack where they are weakest.
Note Kristof's use of "traditional" when mentioning banana republics. Traditional? Just why the F were they banana republics? His use of the word fully exposes a mindset.

Kristof wants to use the words "traditional banana republic", then he should be writing about Miami, Miami-Dade, Florida, and the USA.


Thank you Peace Patriot, for putting together a most excellent contrast. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:







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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:34 AM
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10. Yeah, I thought about that--"traditional banana republic"--but I couldn't quite get a handle on it.
You nailed it. "Traditional" puts the blame on Latin Americans, and absolves the U.S. government and its corporate rulers from all the murders and oppression they have been guilty of, to CREATE "banana republics" in Latin America!

Definitely a "mind-set"-revealer!

And to pick on Venezuela, and ignore Colombia--AND CHIQUITA, in Colombia and also in Honduras (the new "Little Colombia," where trade unionists and other dissenters are now being murdered as well)--and to ignore Eric Holder's complicity in the "banana republic" of Colombia--adds to the indictment. Kristoff sounds "liberal" but ain't.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 11:48 AM
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11. Might as well include this I suppose
Sam Lanin - Yes! We Have No Bananas, 1923 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTTrXAE7OPU&feature=related

:)
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