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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 02:23 PM
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Hugo Boss: What I learned about Hugo Chávez's mental health when I visited Venezuela with Sean Penn.
http://www.slate.com/id/2262520/pagenum/all/#p2

Recent accounts of Hugo Chávez's politicized necrophilia may seem almost too lurid to believe, but I can testify from personal experience that they may well be an understatement. In the early hours of July 16—just at the midnight hour, to be precise—Venezuela's capo officiated at a grisly ceremony. This involved the exhumation of the mortal remains of Simón Bolívar, leader of Latin America's rebellion against Spain, who died in 1830. According to a vividly written article by Thor Halvorssen in the July 25 Washington Post, the skeleton was picked apart—even as Chávez tweeted the proceedings for his audience—and some teeth and bone fragments were taken away for testing. The residual pieces were placed in a coffin stamped with the Chávez government's seal. In one of the rather free-associating speeches for which he has become celebrated, Chávez appealed to Jesus Christ to restage the raising of Lazarus and reanimate Bolívar's constituent parts. He went on:

I had some doubts, but after seeing his remains, my heart said, "Yes, it is me." Father, is that you, or who are you? The answer: "It is me, but I awaken every hundred years when the people awaken."
As if "channeling" this none-too-subtle identification of Chávez with the national hero, Venezuelan television was compelled to run images of Bolívar, followed by footage of the remains, and then pictures of the boss. The national anthem provided the soundtrack. Not since North Korean media declared Kim Jong-il to be the reincarnation of Kim Il Sung has there been such a blatant attempt to create a necrocracy, or perhaps mausolocracy, in which a living claimant assumes the fleshly mantle of the departed.
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Simón Bolívar's cadaver is like any other cadaver, but his legacy is a great deal more worth stealing than that of Kim Il Sung. Gabriel García Márquez's novel The General in His Labyrinth is one place to begin, if you want to understand the combination of heroic and tragic qualities that keep his memory alive to this day. (In New York, his equestrian statue still dominates the intersection of the Avenue of the Americas and Central Park South.) The idea of a United States of South America will always be a tenuous dream, but in his bloody struggle for its realization, Bolívar cut a considerable figure, as he did in his other capacities as double-dealer, war criminal, and serial fornicator, also lovingly portrayed by Márquez.

In the fall of 2008, I went to Venezuela as a guest of Sean Penn's, whose friendship with Chávez is warm. The third member of our party was the excellent historian Douglas Brinkley, and we spent some quality time flying around the country on Chávez's presidential jet and bouncing with him from rally to rally at ground level, as well. The boss loves to talk and has clocked up speeches of Castro-like length. Bolívar is the theme of which he never tires. His early uniformed movement of mutineers—which failed to bring off a military coup in 1992—was named for Bolívar. Turning belatedly but successfully to electoral politics, he called his followers the Bolivarian Movement. Since he became president, the country's official name has been the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. (Chávez must sometimes wish that he had been born in Bolivia in the first place.) At Cabinet meetings, he has been known to leave an empty chair, in case the shade of Bolívar might choose to attend the otherwise rather Chávez-dominated proceedings.

It did not take long for this hero-obsession to disclose itself in bizarre forms. One evening, as we were jetting through the skies, Brinkley mildly asked whether Chávez's large purchases of Russian warships might not be interpreted by Washington as a violation of the Monroe Doctrine. The boss's response was impressively immediate. He did not know for sure, he said, but he very much hoped so. "The United States was born with an imperialist impulse. There has been a long confrontation between Monroe and Bolívar. … It is necessary that the Monroe Doctrine be broken." As his tirade against evil America mounted, Penn broke in to say that surely Chávez would be happy to see the arrest of Osama Bin Laden.

I was hugely impressed by the way that the boss scorned this overture. He essentially doubted the existence of al-Qaida, let alone reports of its attacks on the enemy to the north. "I don't know anything about Osama Bin Laden that doesn't come to me through the filter of the West and its propaganda." To this, Penn replied that surely Bin Laden had provided quite a number of his very own broadcasts and videos. I was again impressed by the way that Chávez rejected this proffered lucid-interval lifeline. All of this so-called evidence, too, was a mere product of imperialist television. After all, "there is film of the Americans landing on the moon," he scoffed. "Does that mean the moon shot really happened? In the film, the Yanqui flag is flying straight out. So, is there wind on the moon?" As Chávez beamed with triumph at this logic, an awkwardness descended on my comrades, and on the conversation.

Chávez, in other words, is very close to the climactic moment when he will announce that he is a poached egg and that he requires a very large piece of buttered toast so that he can lie down and take a soothing nap. Even his macabre foraging in the coffin of Simón Bolívar was initially prompted by his theory that an autopsy would prove that The Liberator had been poisoned—most probably by dastardly Colombians. This would perhaps provide a posthumous license for Venezuela's continuing hospitality to the narco-criminal gang FARC, a cross-border activity that does little to foster regional brotherhood.

Many people laughed when Chávez appeared at the podium of the United Nations in September 2006 and declared that he smelled sulfur from the devil himself because of the presence of George W. Bush. But the evidence is that he does have an idiotic weakness for spells and incantations, as well as many of the symptoms of paranoia and megalomania. After the failure of Bolívar's attempted Gran Colombia federation—which briefly united Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, and other nations—the U.S. minister in Bogotá, future president William Henry Harrison, said of him that "nder the mask of patriotism and attachment to liberty, he has really been preparing the means of investing himself with arbitrary power." The first time was tragedy; this time is also tragedy but mixed with a strong element of farce.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 03:32 PM
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1. This ignoramus doesn't know where Simon Bolivar was born!
"Since (Chavez) became president, the country's official name has been the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. (Chávez must sometimes wish that he had been born in Bolivia in the first place.)"

Simon Bolivar was born in Caracas, Venezuela.

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I guess Chavez is about to crack, huh? Gonna start unplugging babies' incubators any day now! The signs are all there--relaxing and having some fun with friends (or people he thought were friends), and having a little fun at their expense, refusing to take them seriously, refusing to bow down to the Great Devil God Osama bin Forgotten, indulging a bit of boyhood hero worship, laughing, talking, probably having a toke. A real maniac.

Tremble, America! Booogieman's gonna get you! The Mad Dictator of the Little Brown People, comin' to take yer Mercedes Benz! Eating babies! Sticking pins in corpses! Wearing a RED SHIRT! And that means blood, and that means TROUBLE, right here in River City...right under your bed! Hugo Dracula! Save us! Save us! Great Pentagon in the Sky! Save us from universal free medical care! Save us from free college education for the poor! Save us from little brown people voting! Kill them commies and nekkerfolieyikes--for Jesus, I say, for Jesus Christ, for spacious skies and amber waves of grain! Nuke 'em back to the stone age! Put the Cross up to 'em and they melt, you'll see!

:rofl: :grouphug: :rofl:

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 04:33 PM
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2. Isn't Hugo Boss some fashion maven or something
Venezuela a bit too macho for his tastes?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:33 PM
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4. Look at the history of the founder of Hugo Boss. What a heritage:
From Wiki:

History
Hugo Boss started his clothing company in 1924 in Metzingen, where it is still based, a small town south of Stuttgart. However, due to the economic climate in Germany at the time Boss was forced into bankruptcy in 1930. Undeterred, Hugo set up a new business and in 1931 became a member of the Nazi party. With the rise of Adolf Hitler in 1933, Boss's business also began to prosper as he became an RZM-licensed (official) supplier of uniforms to the SA, SS, Hitler Youth, NSKK and other Party organizations.

With the defeat of Germany in 1945, Boss was charged with being sympathetic to the Nazi cause and using forced labor, and was denied the right to vote in Germany and ordered to pay a fine. He died in 1948 but his business survived.

In 1985 the company was floated on the stock exchange and the majority shareholder is now the Marzotto textile group. In the same year Hugo Boss launched its first fragrance.

Involvement in World War II
The all-black dress uniform of the Nazi Schutzstaffel or SS (the NSDAP paramilitary and military force), in use from 1932 until 1942, was designed by SS-Oberführer Prof. Dr. Karl Diebitsch and graphic designer Walter Heck.<3> From 1933, the Hugo Boss company was one of the firms that produced these black uniforms along with the brown SA shirts and the black-and-brown uniforms of the Hitler Youth.<4><5>s

Shift from Union Manufacturing
In March 2010, Hugo Boss was boycotted by actor Danny Glover after Hugo Boss announced plans to close an Ohio suit manufacturing plant reportedly after 375 employees of the Workers United Union rejected Hugo Boss proposal to cut the workers' hourly wage 36% from $13 an hour to $8.30.<6> Hugo Boss CFO Andreas Stockert stated that the company has a responsibility to shareholders. Hugo Boss will move suit manufacturing from Ohio to other facilities in Turkey, Bulgaria and Romania.<7>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss

And who can listen to what Christopher Hitchens manages to write, anyway? It's amazing he can still hold a pen, or use his computer, since he even shows up for interviews on TV loaded these days. He has been a helpless drunk forever. Everyone knows it.

He revived briefly during the Clinton Monica scandal so he could slobber and foam at the mouth about it, but he is sliding more every single year. He has recently been the subject of some very serious discussion concerning his impairment.

Chistopher Hitchens. What a hoot.

A Morbidly Drunk Christopher Hitchens on the Daily Show
05.02.2007
http://www.nicklewis.org/node/910
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:48 PM
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6. That is some background on Hugo Boss
Wow.. Nazis and everything! By the way Christopher Hitchens has esophagal cancer, that's is quite a rough one to get, usually from smoking..

So the Danny Glover revenge mission makes this Hugo Boss thing make more sense. Now I have to re-read to understand why he commented in the first place.

Made Nazi uniforms... why hasn't he been boycotted I wonder..
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:53 PM
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7. I can't figure out why Sean Penn and Hugo were together? In Venezuela? nt
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 10:25 PM
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8. Amazing it hasn't been discussed openly. First time I ever heard of it.
The uniform of the SS by Hugo Boss.
March 9, 2009 by Oleg Maksimovich

Oberführer was also a military rank within the Schutzstaffel (SS), established in 1925 as a grade for officers of the SS in charge of an SS-Gau “in Germany. In 1930, the SS was reorganized as part of the “SS-Gruppen” and “Brigade”, in which case Oberführers came to be subordinated to his immediate superior, called Brigadeführer.

The third quarter of 1933, Hugo Boss, the founder of the clothing manufacturer, designing uniforms for the forces Black SS Heinrich Himmler , to replace the brown shirts of the SA forces. Was also responsible for the design and manufacture the uniform of the Hitler Youth.

The German company, based in Frankfurt, said that he knew where the name of founder Hugo Boss appeared on list of accounts dormant published by a Swiss bank last month. In the 30s it was just a small manufacturer of uniforms for the police and the post, not the giant of today.

Boss Siefring of 83 years told the Austrian weekly Profil: “Of course my father belonged to the Nazi Party.” Hugo Boss died in 1948 and returned to the factory manufacturing the uniforms of the police and postal workers. Produced its first men’s suit in the’50s, but not focused exclusively on men’s fashion until the’70s, when the grandchildren of Uwe Boss and Jochen Holy took control of the business.

http://eng.montecarlo.fm/2009/03/09/the-uniform-of-the-ss-by-hugo-boss/

http://www.gallagher.com.nyud.net:8090/ww2/images/SS_officers_22_142.jpg

Schutzstaffel

http://www.666blacksun.com.nyud.net:8090/Heinrich_Himmler.jpg

Himmler

http://histclo.com.nyud.net:8090/imagef/youth/nat/ger/hitler/hyaxmanns.jpg

Hitler Youth

Can't go wrong with basic black, can ya?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 10:42 PM
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9. Nazi chic is still in for some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_chic

Those boots are certainly pricey looking, imagine they'd do well at Barneys NY.

Asia, who knew?

Nazi chic in Asia
Young Japanese ladies in a stage show for visiting Hitlerjugend in 1938

Uniforms and other imagery related to Nazi Germany have been on sale in East Asia, where some consider it fashionable. Hong Kong<8> and Japan have each witnessed a growth in the casual wearing of SS uniforms, as well as increased interest in White power music. Sometimes in East Asia, Nazi uniforms are used as part of cosplay. In South Korea, an area generally isolated from Nazi cultural influences during the Nazi era, Time magazine observed in 2000 "an unthinking fascination with the icons and imagery of the Third Reich."<9> Nazi-inspired imagery featured in various early releases from Japanese band The 5.6.7.8's.<10>


http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/15/business/hugo-boss-acknowledges-link-to-nazi-regime.html

About when they revealed the connection to the Nazis
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 09:35 PM
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5. Oooooh. Caracas, you say. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact
Hugo Chavez has long admired him and celebrated him as a national, regional hero!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 04:37 PM
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3. Hitchens doesn't have an agenda.

Hitchens became a socialist "largely the outcome of a study of history, taking sides ... in the battles over industrialism and war and empire". In 2001, he told Rhys Southan of Reason magazine that he could no longer say "I am a socialist". Socialists, he claimed, had ceased to offer a positive alternative to the capitalist system. Capitalism had become the more revolutionary economic system, and he welcomed globalisation as "innovative and internationalist". He suggested that he had returned to his early, pre-socialist libertarianism, having come to attach great value to the freedom of the individual from the state and moral authoritarians. The San Francisco Chronicle referred to Hitchens as a "gadfly with gusto".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens

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