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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:23 PM
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Headlines (or stories) you may not see in the U.S. media re Colombia-Venezuela



From Colombian and Venezuelan media:


Chávez insta a guerrillas a reconsiderar su estrategia y parar búsqueda del poder en Colombia
Chávez calls on (Colombian) guerrillas to reconsider their strategy and to halt their quest for power

Ecuador convoca reunión extraordinaria de Unasur para tratar conflicto entre Venezuela y Colombia
Ecuador convenes extraordinary meeting of UNASUR to deal with conflict between Venezuela and Colombia

Colombia afirma que el diálogo ya no es suficiente con Venezuela
Colombia (Foreign Minister Bermudez) says dialogue is no longer sufficent with Venezuela (to restore diplomatic relations) ??? Is he talking war???

Magistrado colombiano pide a Corte Constitucional rechazar acuerdo con EE.UU.
Colombian judge asks Constitutional Court to reject treaty with U.S. (the seven bases)

Casa de Nariño involucrada en escándalo de chuzadas tras declaraciones de director del DAS
Presidential palace involved in wiretaping scandal after testimony by DAS chief (the noose is tightening around uribito -- which may be the reason for the all-of-a-sudden crisis with only two weeks to go in his term.

Consejo de Defensa de Venezuela apoya ruptura de relaciones con Colombia
Venezuelan Defense Council supports diplomatic rupture with Colombia

Empresarios buscan otros destinos para reemplazar el mercado de Venezuela
(Colombian) business leaders seek other destines to replace Venezuelan market

Revista 'The Economist' sugiere al presidente Uribe no interferir en mandato de Juan Manuel Santos
The Economist magazine suggest to president uribe not to interfer with the mandate of Juan Manuel Santos (story in English on The Economist website)

Transporte de carga entre Colombia y Venezuela se ha estancado
Cargo transport between Colombia and Venezuela at a standstill (Colombian exporters hurting)

"The final resort would be war" El Espectador of Bogota citing Chavez. "Colombia has become an enclave of imperalism."

"Dialogue with Venezuela is useless." Colombian Forn. Min. Bermudez

Kirchner to meet with Chavez and Uribe

U.S. "Venezuela has an obligation with Colombia"

France calls on Venezuela and Colombia to renew dialogue

Lula da Silva offers to mediate

Venezuela warns of a strong response if soverignty violated

Ecuador says Insulza incapable of leading the OAS

Uribe and Santos do not discuss break in relations with Venezuela


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There are more ... check out El Tiempo, Semana, El Espectador, Telesur, Agencia Venezolana de Noticas ....





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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 11:57 PM
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1. There's so much going on. I believe it's so possible Uribe is capable of doing this
to divert international attention away from what is happening to him at home with the chuzadas, DAS.

Good to hear Lula, Kirchner are attentive to this. Far better than the crap the media here talks about with the US taking pot shots at Venezuela as if Chavez has been an unruly child. Good lord. They appear to think we are idiots.

Thanks for the recommendations of other sources. Planning to go check them.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 03:11 AM
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2. You're right:this isn't a US media source. Xinhua says Lula will mediate!
Brazilian president to mediate crisis between Venezuela, Colombia
15:02, July 24, 2010

Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva will visit Venezuela and Colombia in early August to mediate the crisis between the two countries, his office said on Friday.

On Thursday, Lula held telephone conversation separately with his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez and Colombian counterpart Alvaro Uribe, expressing his concerns over the dispute which escalated after Venezuela severed diplomatic ties with Colombia earlier on the day.

Lula had expressed "Brazil's willingness to contribute to overcoming the differences between the governments of Colombia and Venezuela," the Foreign Ministry said on Thursday.

During his visit to Colombian capital Bogota, Lula will also attend the inauguration ceremony of President-elect Juan Manuel Santos and hold a meeting with him.

In a related development, former Argentine President Nestor Kirchner, secretary-general of the Union of South American Nations (Unasur), said on Friday that he would travel to Caracas on Aug. 5 and to Bogota on Aug. 6 in a bid to mediate the Venezuela-Colombia conflict.

Latin American countries have urged the two countries to preserve regional peace and bring an end to their dispute over claims that Venezuela is harboring Colombian rebels.

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/7079225.html
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 12:33 PM
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6. Yes, It's Urbie..
The guy about to leave office while riding a wave of popularity is going to divert attention from something. It's not the bombastic guy across the border whose economy is spirling downward. no sir.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 10:20 AM
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3. Thanks for the info, rabs! The Economist item is interesting...
They are bad, VERY bad, on Latin American issues. I find it inexplicable that anyone would trust them on anything, esp. re Latin America. But I know otherwise intelligent people who read The Economist rather like people used to read to the Wall Street Journal news pages (not the fascist op-ed page), because they covered news in depth and the news section seemed to be written by literate, informed people. The Economist has that ambience (with some, not me).

So, The Economist thinks that Uribe ought not to interfere with the mandate of Juan Manuel Santos. I will go give their web site a hit to read this. But I already smell a rat. What IS Santos' mandate from the Beltway? That is the question.

Back later with an analysis.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 10:24 AM
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4. Ahem. The title of The Economist article: "Let Santos Be Santos."
That used to be the corpo-fascist line about Reagan--overseer of the Reagan reign of horror in Central America.

And I'm not even to the first sentence yet.

More in a moment...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 10:34 AM
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5. The subtitle...
"Let Santos be Santos
Álvaro Uribe should do one more service to his country: let his successor govern
"

--The Economist.

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"One more service..."? Jeez. Hasn't he done "service" enough, with some 70 of his cohorts under investigation or in jail for ties to rightwing death squads and drug trafficking? Hasn't he done "service" enough by secretly negotiating the U.S. military occupation of Colombia? Hasn't he done "service" enough by calling all political leftists, everyone opposed to fascist narco-thug government and even people who just THINK--academics, writers, artists--"terrorists"? Hasn't he done "service" enough by presiding (along with his Defense Minister Santos, now 'president') over the SECOND WORST HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD ON EARTH, with thousands of murders and some 5 MILLION people displaced? Maybe they mean "service" by keeping that $7 BILLION U.S. taxpayer gravy train on the tracks.

What does The Economist mean by "govern"?

Stay tuned.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 01:04 PM
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7. After a pack of lies in the 1st paragraph (which maybe I'll get to), The Economist says this...
"Yet there has always been a darker side to Mr Uribe. Several of his officials and allies have been accused of complicity with the paramilitaries and his army murdered many civilians. The president has seemed to want to subvert the independence of the judiciary. In foreign affairs he was sometimes naive and erratic. Colombia has been unjustly isolated abroad." --The Econobust

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So now we're getting down to it--the script they are writing from (...originating where? Langley, maybe. U.S. State Dept? Exxon Mobil? BP? Not sure yet.)


The "darker side" of Mr. Uribe is a Hillary problem. She's trying to ram the U.S./Colombia "free trade for the rich" agreement through Congress, where labor Democrats who object to the short life spans of union leaders in Colombia have been holding it up.

Democracy cosmetics are needed. "Several" of Uribe's "officials and allies" (about 70 of them, The Economist doesn't say) are not just "accused" of complicity with the death squads (also drug trafficking), some--including Uribe relatives--have been convicted and are in jail. So, right off the bat, The Economist is downplaying the vast, murderous corruption of this Bush Cartel puppet, even while they assist the CIA in ousting him.

"The president has seemed to want to subvert the independence of the judiciary." --The Economyst

Oh, give me a break.

But here's the nut of The Econocrack: "In foreign affairs he was sometimes naive and erratic. Colombia has been unjustly isolated abroad."

Colombia is about as "unjustly" isolated as Israel is. And guess what? They hold the No. 2 and the No. 1 positions, respectively, as the worst human rights violators on earth. "Unjustly isolated" for slaughtering thousands of civilians, and displacing some 5 million poor farmers? Colombia would be even more of a pariah--it would be completely boycotted and isolated-- if it were not being propped up by the U.S., including billions of U.S. tax dollars to its wretched, corrupt, murderous military.

"Naive and erratic." Uribe was sometimes moved by loyalty to South American sovereignty and by the opinion of his peers. For instance, back in 2007, Uribe engaged in a 4 hour meeting with Chavez in which Uribe apologized for the Colombian military plot to assassinate Chavez. Uribe's publicly announced request to Chavez to negotiate with the FARC for hostage releases probably came out of that meeting. Chavez proceeded with the hostage release effort quite successfully, but just as it began (Dec 07), Washington pulled Uribe's chain and he abruptly (days before the first Chavez negotiated hostages were to be released) rescinded his request, for no good reason, and the Colombian military sent rocket fire upon the first two hostages, as they were in route to their freedom. And when the U.S./Colombia bombed the FARC hostage release camp just inside Ecuador's border--almost starting a war between Ecuador/Venezuela and the U.S./Colombia, then and there, and ending all talk of peace in Colombia's 40+ year civil war--Uribe apologized for the attack and promised never to do it again, and furthermore joined Chavez in announcing economic projects between Venezuela and Colombia.

Another for instance, when Uribe signed the secretly negotiated U.S./Colombia military agreement, he knew it was bad, very bad, so he went round to all the leaders in South America and held private meetings trying to explain his action.

"Erratic" in that he didn't always follow the Pentagon script. I think that's what they are subterraneously saying. But "naive"? Uribe naive? That is just more white-washing.

You can bet that Santos won't be "erratic" and "naive." He'll be Reagan, or, more precisely, Rumsfeld. He doesn't give a fuck what the other leaders of Latin America think. He is the Pentagon's boy. Callous, arrogant, cold-eyed killer.

"Colombia has been unjustly isolated abroad." The Economist will help sell Santos as a democrat.

:rofl:

And here is how:

"Mr Santos’s task is to consolidate Mr Uribe’s achievement. (:puke:) That requires not blind copying but correcting mistakes, using different methods and taking some neglected steps. In democratic politics, means matter as well as ends. That was a point that Mr Uribe sometimes forgot. It was powerfully made by Antanas Mockus, a new broom who briefly threatened Mr Santos in the election by stressing 'democratic legality' and warning against 'shortcuts' in pacifying the country." --The Econocad (puke added by me)

("...a new broom" ???!)

Democracy cosmetics. Mr. Uribe's "achievement" was to kill thousands of leftist leaders, with Santos as Defense Minister. Half the murders of union leaders in Colombia were committed by the military and the other half by their closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads (according to Amnesty International). This, and the displacement through state terror of some 5 million peasants, created conditions in many regions of Colombia that make an utter mockery of so-called elections and opinion polls. The Econodust mentions Uribe's "70%" approval rating and Santos' supposed election. You raise your head in a just cause in Colombia, you risk getting it shot off. That is what elections and polls are worth in Colombia. This was Uribe's job--to KILL and TERRORIZE the political opposition. This is what the $7 BILLION in U.S. taxpayer dollars was paying for--to pave the way for U.S. military enforced "free trade for the rich," and possibly worse: spreading Colombia's murder and mayhem throughout the region, to topple Venezuela's and Ecuador's truly representative governments, and take over their vast oil reserves, the profits of which are now being "wasted" on the poor.

Democracy is THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD that U.S. multinationals and their war apparatus want in Colombia! The Economess is one of their propaganda organs, so they don't want it either. It is a "Big Lie."

The end of The Econowreck article is ridiculous. After more lies about Venezuela, they propose that Santos send Uribe as ambassador to Beijing, to stop his "meddling." They never mention the $7 BILLION in U.S. "meddling" nor the seven new U.S. military bases in Colombia, nor anything else of real relevance to this U.S. psyops at the OAS.

And in their black holes (where information should be), ye shall know them.

The banksters (those whom FDR termed "organized money") want the Caribbean/Central America region and the northern rim of South America (Colombia, Venezuela's oil region) as their "free trade for the rich" playground. The Econorich speaks for the banksters. That goes without saying. But what I was looking for was some clues about the Clinton "free trade for the rich" agenda vs the Pentagon war/oil agenda. I'm trying to figure out if Clinton wants the war or doesn't want it. Is she trying to stave off the war by creating the "free trade for the rich" playground without firing a shot at Venezuela (or Ecuador), or is she allowing the war plans to be put in place as Plan B (perhaps to be followed up by whoever ES&S/Diebold installs in the White House in 2012, as B. Clinton's "no fly zones" and other crushings of Iraq paved the way for the Bush Junta invasion).

And I'm afraid that the "black hole" in this Econowar article is very telling. They DON'T MENTION the $7 BILLION in U.S. military aid, nor the secretive U.S./Colombia military agreement (recently signed by Uribe and the Bushwhack ambassador to Colombia, Wm Brownfield, who is still in place). Santos' job is to build upon Uribe's "achievement" of thousands of dead union leaders and other leftists, to enrich the rich, including the rich here and the allies of the rich here (British, EU banksters). It is not to create "jobs"; it is to create SLAVE LABOR jobs for U.S. and other multinationals, and to KEEP THE COUNTRY IN A STATE OF TERROR, enforced by the Colombian and U.S. militaries, with the war profiteers, here and there, cleaning our clocks. And by not mentioning the U.S. military buildup and the U.S. control of the Colombian government, they have raised my worry level about Oil War II: South America. Is that Santos' most important job? Is this Econowad 'meme' of a rift between Uribe and Santos wholly concocted, and are we in truth looking at an INVENTED narrative, with Santos and Washington calling the shots, with Uribe--under threat of removal of CIA protection--playing it out because he has to, to save his skin?

Bear in mind that it was URIBE who apologized for the bombing/raid into Ecuador. SANTOS promised to do it AGAIN (--to pursue the FARC into Venezuela and Ecuador). Santos is NOT "erratic." Santos is the Pentagon's sure bet.

Sometimes you have to read Economuck backwards, to get at the truth. And you have to peer deeply into the black holes where information should be.






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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 01:17 PM
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8. oh come on...
"Colombia is about as "unjustly" isolated as Israel is. And guess what? They hold the No. 2 and the No. 1 positions, respectively, as the worst human rights violators on earth."

Worse than North Korea?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 04:45 PM
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9. Great deconstruction, Peace Patriot!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 08:54 PM
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10. Wonderful that you took the time to do this. The Economist has always
been completely right-wing, and blind to erything but right-wing spin. Sad to see these organizations parade themselves as "news" sources.

Colombia has a HIDEOUS name everywhere, regardless of every attempt by idiot scum to conceal it. It has for many years. It also is famous outside the U.S. and corporate-controlled news agencies as the 3rd largest sucker of U.S. taxpayer foreign aid, but more ferociously evil, the home of the SECOND LARGEST DISPLACED HUMAN POPULATION on earth, only slightly less than Sudan, with homeless people trying to crowd into cities where there are no jobs, or left wandering in the void, no employment, shelter, with some of them trying to find shelter in Venezuela and Ecuador which have both done humantarian service by accepting some of them as much as possible.

Disinformation spigots like the Econobust are read with fanatical zeal by US Americans who won't take the time to develope enough character to step out of childish dependency on whatever the "gummint" tells them and start their own journey growing the #### up, the way successful people mature, and transcend participatory ignorance.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:21 PM
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11. What the hell are you smoking? Columbia and Israel the worst two?
Sudan. Iran. North Korea. Saudi Arabia. Zimbabwe. (Not in any systematic order, just the first five that leapt to mind - if I cared I could name many, many more).
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:05 AM
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12. What a shame so many people have failed to do the homework necessary
to grasp the hideous aspects of the Colombian government's treatment of Colombians, and the wretched record of assassinations, torture, direct ties to the narcotrafficking paramilitaries, and the vast number of people driven away from their homes with no where to go, no jobs ahead, no compensation, left to wander, to migrate to the cities without funds to not find work there, or to wander across the borders into Venezuela and Ecuador, where they end up putting, against their will, a strain on the economies of both those countries which attempt to assist them as possible, something Colombia refuses to do. Pathetic, evil treatment of their political opponents, and evil, wretched abuse of everyone not strong enough to protect him/herself and his/her family.

Stolen land from the farmers being resold to agribusiness, palm oil plantations, or mines, etc., and the money makes its way all to the pockets of people like warlords, or even Uribe's first cousin, Mario Uribe Escobar who fled Colombia to Costa Rica and was denied haven there.

This government is purely vicious, corrupt, murderous, and it just happens to be the U.S.'s favorite government as it has whored itself for decades, allowing the U.S. to use Colombia as a base for surveilling and watching the rest of the Latin American countries, and as Donald Rumsfeld mentioned, serving as a forward operating location, a place where they can launch any number of actions to help countries which ask for "our" help. Yeah, just like the people of Iraq. You bet.

Hope the Defense Department is going to get its hands slapped over Colombia. It's still running on Rumsfeld's operations, fulfilling his dirty, murderous dreams of ruthless control.
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