Pavon denounces plot for massacre on Nov. 29

[rabs]

Don't know whether anyone has been watching CholusatSur the past hour.

Andrés Pavón Murillo, president of the Comité para la Defensa de los Derechos Humanos en Honduras (CODEH), Committee for the Defence of Human Rights in Honduras, is being interviewed and said the military have plans for a massacre on election day.

The plan is to create chaos, blame the resistance, declare a rupture of constitution order (something the golpistas have not admitted after the June 28 coup) and allow Micheletti to remain in power for two more years.

Pavon said he had learned of the plot from military sources and that the U.S. is aware of the plan.

Pavon called on Hondurans to NOT go to the polling station because they would be in "high danger." He said that military troops are replacing police in strategic locations.

He said the plan calls for the shutdown of CholusatSur and Radio Globo beginning 19 November so that Hondurans would not know what was going on.

Pavon is still talking as write this. He is making some very serious accusations and says he may be one of the first targets.

http://www.cholusatsur.com/

This should hit the English-language news services later tonight.

[Bacchus39]

1. I doubt it. the chaos will be created by the resistance so that the election

doesn't appear to be legitimate and peaceful. I'd bet on that. I'd also bet Mitch leaves as soon as he can.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Yeah, the fascists can kidnap the LEGITIMATE and PEACEFUL president of the country at gunpoint,

shoot up his house, terrify his family and fly him out of the country against his will in the middle of the night, and then start beating up, arresting and deporting journalists, declare martial law, suspend all civil rights, shut down TV/radio stations, use live ammunition on peaceful people protesting this breach of the rule of law, constitutional order and civil rights, beat people up, arbitrarily arrest people denying them the right of habeas corpus, torture and rape prisoners, beat up a leftist presidential candidate and break his arm, send death squads to make examples of some community organizers (total known dead, 26), shut down roads with military checkpoints, forge Zelaya's signature on a letter of resignation and try him in absentia on trumped up charges, and then when he courageously returns to his country to challenge this lawless government, surrounds his safe refuge in the Brazilian embassy with military troops and constant, torturous harassment, and continues to brutalize and threaten people for exercising their rights of free speech, free assembly and free transit...

...and you blame the resistance for creating "chaos"!

You side with the fascists and oppose the people whose rights have been so grossly violated. You are a Tory. You would have sided with the British in the American Revolution. You think order is: people shut up and obey, no matter the tyranny. Quietude is order, in your view. And the use of brutal and tyrannical power is not "chaos."

The "chaos" is not the doing of the union leaders, religious advocates of the poor, community organizers and grass roots groups who make up the resistance. Their actions have been aimed at true order--a peaceful people exercising their democratic rights. And whatever they do to protest this farce of an election will likely also be aimed at true order. It is the golpistas, who hold power through violence alone, and have no legitimate right to power, who have created, and will likely continue to create, "chaos." If they attack peaceful protestors, or--God forbid--slaughter peaceful protestors-- it is NOT the doing of the protestors!

There is no way that this so-called election can be legitimate and aboveboard. Hondurans have been living under martial law, and brutal repression, for more than four months. The 'election' is a few weeks away and the rule of the law and civil rights have not been restored. And even if they were suddenly restored tomorrow, there is no way that that is sufficient for holding an honest election. Brazil knows this, and has said so--as have virtually all of the governments of Latin America. The OAS knows this, and has said so. The Rio Group knows this, and has said so. The EU knows this and has said so. The people of Honduras, nearly 70% of whom approve of Zelaya and wanted him restored to office, have said so. And they will likely say so again on 'election' day, when they boycott this absurdity. Only our compromised and weakened Democratic president--beset on all sides by corpo-fascist Bushwhacks, who are no doubt your heroes- has faltered on this issue. And hey, James Baker, that impresario of stolen elections, that Bush Cartel Mr. Fixit, thinks an 'election' under martial law in Honduras is honkey-dory.

That, to me, is "chaos"--the Supreme Court crowning a king, here or as happened in June in Honduras. Protesting it is NOT "chaos."

[Judi Lynn]

5. Just when you think you've heard the most putrid comments possible, you get surprised.

As you patiently and skillfully have explained, one only has to look at the grotesque record already in place. There's absolutely no variation in it from the very first day.

Only a dedicated asshole would dare to try a utterly underhanded attack on the people of Honduras.

This plan sounds EXACTLY like the filth they have been dealing every day of their seizure of the Honduran people's government. It's directly in line with their brand of treachery.

[Bacchus39]

9. I support the Honduran people's right to choose their next leader in an election

you do not. who supports democratic rights and who does not? Zelaya is a joke and a disaster. it will be much better for the country once he is out of the picture.

[Peace Patriot]

14. You do NOT support the Honduran peoples' democratic right to elections.

You support the POWER of the violent rich elite to IMPOSE elections on people whom they have stripped of their democratic rights.

An election under martial law is NOT an election. It is tyranny.

As for your opinion of Zelaya--that he is "a joke and a disaster"--67% of the Honduran people do not agree with you. Why do you support their being DEPRIVED of the president they ELECTED? You think that your opinion--which coincides with the opinions of U.S. corpo-fascist Pukes like Jim DeMint--should prevail over the Honduran people?

That is tyranny. You think he is "a joke and a disaster." They don't. They support him in huge numbers. Whose opinion should have prevailed?

There are leftist and independent candidates for president in Honduras who have had no chance to campaign. One of them has a broken arm, inflicted by the policy, for protesting this illegal junta government. At least two dozen leftist political activists are DEAD, some shot and killed by the military and the police, others by "drive-by shooters." You think that is democratic--that candidates who oppose the Junta get no air time, have no free speech rights, get their bones broken and their potential supporters and campaign volunteers get beaten up, jailed and killed?

That's what you support--SUPPRESSION OF THE LEFTIST MAJORITY. Tyranny. Brutality. The kind of "order" imposed by violence--bullying, threats, beatings, torture, fear, death--
"order" that does not even remotely resemble democracy. You don't seem to know what democracy is. Your claim to support "the Honduran peoples' democratic rights" is bogus.

[Bacchus39]

17. the election has been scheduled for years I imagine

its going to happen PP and there will be a new president of Honduras in January thankfully.

[Peace Patriot]

18. Saying that something is inevitable is not the same as saying that it is RIGHT.

But your ending word, "thankfully," indicates that you think it is RIGHT that the Honduran people have been deprived of the president they CHOSE.

So much for your belief in the "Honduran peoples' right to democratic elections"!

[rabs]

11. Pavon appears to have fired a warning shot across the bow

Andres Pavon, as president of the Honduran Human Rights Committee is a serious and highly respected man who has been a bulwark against the golpistas' violence against the people.

Last night as I listened to him on CholusatSur, was thinking whether he: 1. has a death wish; or 2. was issuing a pre-emptive warning against a possible bloodbath on Nov. 29.

What stuck me was that he said the United States government was aware of the military's plotting. Wondered about that and remembered this from Judi's post from yesterday:
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US envoy 'hopeful' of Honduras pact

A senior US diplomat says he feels optimistic over efforts to revive a power-sharing pact aimed at ending the political crisis in Honduras before the presidential election later this month.

Craig Kelly, the deputy assistant secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere, said the US was "advancing the dialogue", even as he left the Central American country WITHOUT ANY DEAL. (CAPS MINE)
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I thought it was unusual that Kelly, with the talks already at a hopeless dead end, would fly down to Tegus on Tuesday, meet briefly with Micheletti and Zelaya on Tuesday night and leave yesterday morning. (Last week Kelly accompanied Solis for the "verification commission" farce and for him to make another sudden visit just days later was puzzling.)

So am wondering if Llorens and his political and military attaches had picked up on the plot Pavon denounced last night and THAT was the REAL reason for Kelly's lightening visit.

Pavon said he had gotten word of the plot from Honduran military sources so assume that the U.S. Embassy may have the same moles among Honduran officers who are not in favor of a massacre. I would hope so.

I am hoping that magbana or Al Giordano will pickup on this and flesh out this alarming Pavon story.

[rabs]

2. First English report on a blog

From AP (She must have been watching CholusatSur too.)

http://quotha.net/node/544

AP = Adrienne Pine (adrienne at quotha dot net) is a militant anthropologist doing her part to overthrow the corporatocracy. She is based in Washington, DC, where she learns from and teaches anthropology to the fabulous students at American University.

[Downwinder]

4. +1

[Judi Lynn]

6. Provocateurs. Pretending to be protesters, and committing crimes.

Where have we seen this before, for years?

Did you ever see the photos taken in Canada of Canadian police dressing as protesters, throwing rocks at cops, then getting the protesters to denouce them as NOT THEIRS, and the police provocateurs started moving toward the policemen, as if they were going to need them for protection from the crowd, and the cops pretending to push them down to the ground, and the cameras taking photos of the prostrate provocateurs who were wearing the very same shoes as the cops were wearing?

It was hilarious.

The crowd of protesters turned against these guys, announcing they were plants. At least, in that situation, no one was close to start shooting, as they will be in Honduras.

Planting people in crowds to create the picture of violent protest is an old trick by governments. It ISN'T common to use them to launch a killing of protesters. This one sounds exactly what happened in that dirty killing in Venezuela which they blamed on Chavez supporters, claiming THEY shot the protesters. They were caught and exposed on that filthy scheme, thank god, after people started studying the facts and the photos and the testimonies from the people there.

Thank you so much for catching this AP article. Astonishing people could be that low.

[Judi Lynn]

7. I know you can read this one, rabs. It doesn't say a lot about the secret plan but hints at it.

Mundo | 11/11/2009 | 23h41min

Comitê de Direitos Humanos de Honduras denuncia mortes e prisões e desaconselha eleições
Entidade vai propor o boicote às eleições e pedir instalação de uma Assembleia Constituinte

O Comitê de Defesa dos Direitos Humanos de Honduras, que até agora não havia se manifestado diretamente contra a realização das eleições, convocou a imprensa internacional, nesta quarta-feira, para fazer um alerta contra a possibilidade de fraudes e ocorrência de atos violentos se as eleições forem realizadas, sem a recondução de Manuel Zelaya, o presidente deposto pelo golpe de estado, à presidência.

Andres Pavon, presidente do Comitê, apresentou um extenso relatório sobre o que tem ocorrido desde a deposição de Zelaya, que a entidade chama de Terrorismo de Estado no Século 21.

- Acreditamos que não existem condições para que as eleições sejam realizadas, enquanto os direitos humanos dos hondurenhos não estão sendo respeitados - disse Pavon.

Segundo ele, desde que a crise começou, aconteceram 129 mortes sem esclarecimento, a maior parte delas, 109, durante os toques de recolher. Além disso, mais de 3 mil pessoas teriam sido presas arbitrariamente. O relatório do Comitê fala ainda de mais 10 atos contra a imprensa no país. Pavon disse que o Comitê vai propor o boicote às eleições e lutar pela instalação de uma Assembleia Constituinte.

More:
http://zerohora.clicrbs.com.br/zerohora/jsp/default.jsp?uf=1&local=1§ion=Mundo&newsID=a2715089.xml

[rabs]

10. Yes, it barely hints of what Pavon said but there are some nuggets

Judi, this came from a news conference Pavon held earlier Wednesday, before he went on Ch-26 last night. Interesting that for the first time the Human Rights group is calling for a boycott of the elections. Before the committee had been focused strictly on violation of human rights.

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Comitê de Direitos Humanos de Honduras denuncia mortes e prisões e desaconselha eleições
Entidade vai propor o boicote às eleições e pedir instalação de uma Assembleia Constituinte.
Human Rights committee denounces deaths and detentions, advises against elections.
Committe is going to propose boycott of the elections and installation of a Constituent Assembly.
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O Comitê de Defesa dos Direitos Humanos de Honduras, que até agora não havia se manifestado diretamente contra a realização das eleições, convocou a imprensa internacional, nesta quarta-feira, para fazer um alerta contra a possibilidade de fraudes e ocorrência de atos violentos se as eleições forem realizadas, sem a recondução de Manuel Zelaya, o presidente deposto pelo golpe de estado, à presidência.
Committee in Defense of Human Rights in Honduras, which up to now had not spoken directly against the elections, convoked the international press this Wednesday to issue an alert on the possibility of FRAUD and VIOLENT ACTS if the elections are held, without the restitution of Manuel Zelaya, ousted by the coup de etat, to the presidency.
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Andres Pavon, presidente do Comitê, apresentou um extenso relatório sobre o que tem ocorrido desde a deposição de Zelaya, que a entidade chama de Terrorismo de Estado no Século 21.
Andres Pavon, president of the Committee, presented an extended report on what has occurred since the destitution of Zelaya, which the (committee) called State Terrorism in the 21th century.
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- Acreditamos que não existem condições para que as eleições sejam realizadas, enquanto os direitos humanos dos hondurenhos não estão sendo respeitados - disse Pavon.
We think that conditions do not exist for the elections to be held while the human rights of Hondurans are not being respected, Pavon said.
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Segundo ele, desde que a crise começou, aconteceram 129 mortes sem esclarecimento, a maior parte delas, 109, durante os toques de recolher. Além disso, mais de 3 mil pessoas teriam sido presas arbitrariamente. O relatório do Comitê fala ainda de mais 10 atos contra a imprensa no país. Pavon disse que o Comitê vai propor o boicote às eleições e lutar pela instalação de uma Assembleia Constituinte.
According to Pavon, since the crisis began there have been 129 unexplained deaths, the majority of them, 109, during the curfews. In addition to that, moire than 3 thousand persons have been arrested and (there have been) 10 attacks aginst the nation's media. Pavon said the Committee was going to propose a boycott of the elections and will fight for the installation of a Constituent Assembly.

[Judi Lynn]

8. Kicking for morning people. n/t

[Peace Patriot]

12. K&R! nt

[rabs]

13. Right now, Pavon statement being analyzed

on CholusatSur (1:21 ET)

http://www.cholusatsur.com/

for Spanish speakers

[struggle4progress]

15. Didn't Pavón say, months before the coup, that there were plans to kidnap Zelaya?

[rabs]

16. Spanish version in opposition newspaper El Libertador

http://ellibertador.hn/vivvo_general/3486.html


(Editors and staff of El Libertador have been victims of threats and harassment.)