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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:09 PM
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Chávez's Next Target: El Salvador
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 08:13 PM by Downwinder
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704795604574519852324673902.html

WTH, history according to O'Grady.

and Murdoch wants you to pay for this shit?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:30 PM
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1. Chomsky, many years ago, laid out a method of understanding Cold War rhetoric as a code:
"Democracy" meant control by Western elites and "Communist" meant anything that threatened such "Democracy"

This was a useful decoding, because it enabled one to understand and properly reframe claims like "The Communists are threatening Democracy in South Africa" or "The Communists are threatening Democracy in Guatemala" -- such claims meant that popular movements had questioned continuing elite control. Of course, when such Cold War rhetoric was popular, neither South Africa nor Guatemala qualified as a democracy, though this did not prevent apologists from regarding apartheid and death squads as a bulwark of "Democracy" against the "Communist" menace

A similar decoding might be useful with hysterical rhetoric around Chavez: "Zelaya's alliance with Chavez threatens Democracy in Honduras" or "Chavez is threatening Democracy in El Salvador." After decades of the murders and disappearances of activists by rightwingers in Honduras or El Salvador -- an ugly violent history which long predates Chavez -- the gradual organization of a successful opposition in either country has a certain historical inevitability. And yet the Honduran golpistas spread rumors, that Chavez was invading Honduras, while the thugs were actually deporting Zelaya at gunpoint -- and it can scarcely be a coincidence, when O'Grady (and a thousand others like her) set out to interpret all things South in terms of Chavez
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:41 AM
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2. This is really bad misinformation ....
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 01:43 AM by rabs

Fidel Castro learned a lot from Chilean President Salvador Allende's failed power grab in 1973. And he used the lessons of that bitter defeat to coach Venezuela's Hugo Chávez to dictatorship under the guise of democracy more than 25 years later.

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That is as far as I intended to go. Well, glanced at the whole thing. :puke: :puke: :puke:

1. Salvador Allende"s power grab??? Seems I remember that the power grab from the democratically elected Allende was carried out by Gen. Pinochet of the army, Gen. Leigh of the air force, Adm. Merino of the navy and Gen. Mendoza of the Carabineros police. The original junta before Pinochet took over.

2. More than 25 years later? Geez, the least she could do would be simple math: 2009-1973 = 36 years.

This O'Grady "lady" is a real piece of toro caca !

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YouTakeTheSkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 10:29 PM
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3. Found the 25 years.
I assume she was referring to his election win in 1998. 1998-1973 = 25 years.

Still don't think she has much of a case though. Despite Allende receiving Soviet support in his narrow election win, I've yet to see any real evidence of him acting in a dictatorial fashion during his brief tenure as President.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 02:39 AM
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4. "This O'Grady "lady" is a real piece of toro caca ! "--AGREED! nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 03:31 AM
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5. The Wall Street Urinal--and O'Grady in particular--is a good source for where OUR corpo-fascists'
next attack on democracy is coming. As the golpista military general said in Honduras, by their coup they are "preventing communism from Venezuela from reaching the United States." He no doubt got that from Jim DeMint, John "death squad" Negroponte, James Baker and the U.S. cabal behind the Honduran coup. They are trying to build a bulwark in Central America against ideas like free universal medical care and free education through college, and the use of a country's resources--such as oil--to help the people who live there, from infecting our citizenry. These ideas are strongest, and have the sturdiest governments, in South America. The election of leftist governments is more recent in Central America and more vulnerable to disruption. Honduras is now surrounded by countries with leftist governments, on every border--El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua, with Nicaragua's leftist government being the most long-standing and probably the sturdiest. The corpo-fascist cabal behind what I believe is an oil war plan for South America already showed, last year, that its plan was to pick off what it deemed the weaker governments in alliance with Venezuela, in South America. They tried to use the white separatist secession movement in Bolivia to actually split off Bolivia's oil/gas rich eastern provinces into an independent state, which likely would have toppled the Morales government. They had previously attacked Ecuador, a more recently elected leftist government, but, as it turned out, a very strong one--as is the Morales government. So now they're going for the most vulnerable leftist governments in the region--those in Central America.

This also fits with an earlier perception I had of their war planning of "circling the wagons" in the Caribbean. They reconstituted the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean last summer. They likely assisted in the theft of the Mexican election in 2005 (which a strong leftist lost by only hairsbreadth, 0.05%, amidst widespread suspicions of election fraud). They're establishing new U.S. military bases in Panama and throughout Colombia. They thus have Venezuela's largest oil reserves and operations, on its Caribbean coast, surrounded. They likely plan to split those off into an independent fascist state in control of that oil--in the main segment of the war plan--and may try to net in Ecuador (southern border of Colombia) at the same time. Then they will control the oil and other resources in a wide swath from Ecuador, over the western "hump" of South America (Colombia), up the peninsula through Mexico, and including the US military base in Honduras and Honduras' long coast on the Caribbean, and control of the Caribbean and Venezuela's Caribbean coast and its oil.

"Preventing communism from Venezuela from reaching the United States" by blockading it in Central America, and, not incidentally, grabbing several of the biggest oil reserves in the hemisphere. They may not mess with Brazil, which has had a very big oil find, but Lulu da Silva is not so sure. He said that the US 4th Fleet threatens Brazil's oil as well, and it was Brazil that proposed creation of South American "common defense" in the context of their new "common market," UNASUR.

Anyway, we should read this Wall Street Urinal report as a "red alert" that El Salvador is the next target of this Bushwhack war plan.

The opposite of what they allege is the truth. It's a good rule of thumb when parsing virulent corpo-fascist propaganda like the WSU. Venezuela doesn't topple democratic governments. It strongly supports real democracy, and has worked on empowering its own people, as well as empowering and strengthening cooperative economic power in the region, with particular help to weaker countries who have been blasted by U.S.-enforced "neoliberal" policies. They are pulling together in economic alliances. This, of course, terrifies our global corporate predator rulers. "Little countries" rejecting "free trade for the rich" or the corrupt, failed, murderous US "war on drugs" is not to be tolerated. One of the saddest things I read about the coup in Honduras is that the golpistas are looting the ALBA funds, which workers have contributed to. Natural political/economic alliances, such as those that the Chavez government has been helping to organize--a perfectly legitimate and laudable diplomatic enterprise--pose a grave threat to global corporate predators whose M.O. is brute power and monopoly. That alliances of smaller countries, to make them stronger and to improve the lives of their impoverished people, is portrayed as undemocratic is one of their most grievous lies. It is the global corporate predators who are grossly anti-democratic.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 05:14 AM
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6. I hadn't heard yert they're helping themselves to the ALBA money.Good grief. It figures, doesn't it?
Absolute evil has happened to the Honduran people. They must not give up hope. Hoping somehow the golpistas will be reaping the hell they have sewn very, very soon.

We always appreciate your comments. Always.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 01:27 AM
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7. I think I read that at Hondurasoye. It was something written by a Honduran
resistance leader--that the golpistas were looting the ALBA funds, and that a lot of worker/union effort and contributions had been wasted--found it via one of Downwinder's posts, I'm pretty sure. For the writer, it was like a "last straw" kind of thing. Dismantling of all their gains under Zelaya, even that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 01:41 AM
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8. Maybe the CODEH lady? I read it, too.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 01:51 AM
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9. That came out in the first 30 days. Then the Golpista blamed Zalaya for it. n/t
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 02:29 PM
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10. Hard to say if Chavez empowers the people
When he ignores the results of popular elections in the Caracas metropolitan area, don't you think?
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