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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:38 PM
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Questions from a Reader About Honduras
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:52 PM
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1. fascinating quotes
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 02:57 PM by Bacchus39
Is there still a chance that President Zelaya might return to office prior to November 29? It gets less likely through each day of stalling tactics by the regime, but there is still a needle that might be threaded and it would go like this: Congress would have to convene quickly after its November 17 deadline for advisory opinions, and the National Party bloc would have to vote in unison to authorize Zelaya's return together with a couple of dozen anti-coup Liberal Party legislators and some minor party members. What gets forgotten in a lot of the statements back and forth (including the mutually symbiotic gloating by international golpistas on the right and "Obama coup theorists" on the left for whom Honduras, its civil resistance, and its struggles are merely pawns on an imperialist chess board) that it is entirely in Pepe Lobo’s interest to make that happen, since it would be the only way to make the November 29 vote at all respected within and without Honduras, and he is almost certainly going to be the winner of that vote whether it is legitimized or continues to be illegitimate. What makes the most sense for Lobo is to do everything possible to try to salvage the perceived legitimacy, ahead of time, of that "election." Those are the hard political realities on the ground.



so Narco News projects Lobo to be the winner regardless of whether the elections is "legitimate" or "illegitimate" but apparently only Zelaya, and not the Honduran voters, can make the election legitimate.



and this on the constitutional assembly:

Once the November 29 vote passes – whether its results are recognized or not – the number one item on the national agenda will continue to be the popular demand for that Constituent Assembly and the rebirth of a nation that it could bring. A lot of the rest are just matters of the circus going on up above and the media's obsession with them. The resistance, after 136 days, is not going away. And we will continue – as we have all along - to do our job of looking below, rather than fixating above, and reporting to you the real story, which is what happens on the ground.

the obvious is stated here. there is no need for Zelaya to have a Constituent assembly. on the other hand, what I am not hearing is what the constituent assembly would be proposing or what changes to the constitution are being proposed.


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hondoharry Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:35 AM
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6. Me Too
"what I am not hearing is what the constituent assembly would be proposing or what changes to the constitution are being proposed."

I too have never seen anyone say exactly what provisions in the constitution needed changing. I asked this same question on Al Giordano's Field website and he refused to post it. Said I should start my own blog. So much for 'authentic journalism'.

Harry
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:17 AM
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10. Maybe you should look up what "journalism" is. n/t
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hondoharry Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:06 PM
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13. Real Journalism?
Mr. Giordano was supporting a constitutional assembly and I asked what provisions needed changes in his comments section since he never mentioned any. An authentic journalist would clarify rather than censor. Maybe he doesn't know either and wants to hide that fact. Do you know, Mr. Ferrari?
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:11 AM
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17. Why don't you ask a Hondureno?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:23 PM
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2. Good article, Downwinder. Thanks. n/t
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:13 PM
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3. I liked:
"it is not binding on anyone in the national resistance, not even on Xiomara Castro de Zelaya or Pichu Zelaya. That’s the 800-pound gorilla that is not leaving the room no matter how the next weeks play out."
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:36 PM
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4. You bet. Sure hope that issue is destined to outlive the golpistas. n/t
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:42 PM
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5. exactly, a constituent/constitutional assembly can be proposed at anytime by anyone
except the president it seems as that is banned in the constitution. there is no need for Zelaya to be in office to hold a constitutional assembly.
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hondoharry Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:48 AM
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7. Anyone Can Propose a Constitutinal Assembly?
I think you need to take a look at the constitution. Just as in the US, only the legislative branches can approve changes to the constitution and referendums.

What do you think would happen if Obama called for a popular referendum to rewrite the constitution and had Chavez print the ballots without congressional approval or funding? And if the Supreme Court decided it was illegal and impounded the ballots and Obama stormed the warehouse and stole them back and said he would do it anyway and no judge or court order could stop him? Impeachment would happen real soon as it did in Zelaya's case.

Harry
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:15 AM
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8. Except that was not impeachment that was rendition.
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 06:28 AM
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9. Yes sir
I guess they could have taken a few more days, and impeached him properly. But I don't think Hondurans are very swift.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 11:19 AM
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11. LIttle troll, you're months too late. n/t
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hondoharry Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 12:50 PM
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12. All You Can Do Is Call Names?
You could at least show some intelligence and discuss the issue like an adult. What are you afraid of Mr. Ferrari? The truth?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 01:08 PM
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14. I'm going to save myself some time and put you on ignore.
:hi:
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hondoharry Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 02:52 PM
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15. Hopefully some day you'll get that little head out of the sand n/t
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 08:07 PM
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16. There's nothing wrong with heads in the sand.
This world is full of people whose heads are hidden in the sand. I like to paint little signs on their backs and then move on.
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