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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 01:50 AM Original message |
Uruguay former rebel chief seen to finish first in presidential polls |
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 01:58 AM by Judi Lynn
Uruguay former rebel chief seen to finish first in presidential polls
Web posted at: 10/22/2009 8:36:37 Source ::: REUTERS MONTEVIDEO: A left-wing former guerrilla leader is expected to finish first in Uruguay’s presidential election on Sunday but will likely face a run-off as he tries to keep the socialist ruling coalition in power. But polls show Mujica falling short of a majority needed to win outright in the first round. Center-right former President Luis Lacalle is running second, trailed by Pedro Bordaberry, another rightist candidate who lags a distant third. A second-round vote, analysts say, could pose a challenge to Mujica, who led the Tupamaros guerrilla movement which battled security forces and kidnapped government officials during the 1960s and early 1970s but has since moderated his politics. “This is an important test for the left. Mujica is someone who provokes strong feelings from both his supporters and his critics,” said Teresa Herrera, a Uruguayan political analyst. More: http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=Americas&month=October2009&file=World_News2009102283637.xml The President of Argentina and spouse on either side of José Mujica |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. He hardly looks like a "guerrilla." He looks like a Hobbit! |
Thanks for the photo! I've never seen an image of a Latin American leader in such complete contrast to the corpo/fascist description of him. I mean, you look at some photos of Hugo Chavez and, yeah, you could imagine a "dictator" (--although when Chavez smiles, the sun shines--he has an open-hearted smile--and when he is in a relaxed mode, as in that vid of him singing "Todo Cambió" on stage with Fernando Lugo, the imaginable, would-be, just around the corner, any-day-now "dictator" vanishes). Evo Morales creates something of this contrast (between image and corpo/fascist description). He always looks vulnerable in photos, despite having a spine of steel, and also being called a "dictator." (Nationalizing Bolivia's gas reserves, and requiring social programs in exchange for lithium contracts, make him a "dictator" in the eyes of corpo/fascists.) "Dictator" Rafael Correa--yeah, you can see a bit of ego there, the hard edges of a beautiful powermonger (--although when you get down to what he actually has done--pensions for the elderly poor, getting an equal rights for women and gays provision into the new Constitution--and protection of the rights of Mother Earth--"Pachamama"--your standard "dictator" stereotype doesn't hold up; same with the others--they may be hardass politicians, but they get things done for the powerless).
Anyway, a cuddly guerrilla! How interesting! I guess we should remember that the Hobbits are capable warriors, when the need arises, though they prefer their pipes and their slippers and the quiet life in Hobbit-land. Can this fuzzy-footed little guy have been a guerrilla fighting against the Dark Lords? Ask Tolkien! ---------------- And ain't it the most interesting thing of all, that resistance fighters--leftist guerrilla warriors--or their political parties have become so popular in Latin America--with the leftist rebels in Nicaragua and the leftist rebel party in El Salvador winning the presidencies; Chavez himself, once having been in armed rebellion, winning election after election in Venezuela; and now another former armed rebel ahead in the Uruguyan election. There is also Ollanta Humala, who led the military uprising against the horrible Fujimora regime in Peru, and almost won the last presidential election, and will likely be back in the next one, to oust the corrupt and now blood-soaked Alan Garcia. We should never forget how heinous the Reagan dictatorships and their bloody reigns in these countries were--that prompted good people to see no choice but to take up arms. And it's no wonder that the Bushwhacks and the Reaganites are in a state of panic, and doing things like the fascist Junta in Honduras. These leftist guerrillas are the very people they were trying to exterminate in the 1980s, are still trying to exterminate in Colombia, and have been trying to assassinate and topple as recently as last September (with the Bushwhack coup plot in Bolivia). It must be a nightmare for them to have the resistance to their bloody reign come back like this, and win elections, and start revolutionizing Latin America peacefully and democratically. Weren't these leftists supposed to be totally demoralized or dead? I think the Bushwack/Reaganite plotting goes beyond panic. They want an oil war in South America. Mass death is their only idea. They cannot 'win' any other way. Leftists, on the other hand-- though some of them may have taken up arms against the horrors that were being inflicted on their people--do know how to "hammer swords into plowshares," and have positive programs for social justice, democratic participation, cooperation among Latin American countries and regional independence. The rightwingers--like Garcia in Peru--are just shills for US corporations, and are being rejected all over Latin America, except where they impose their criminal regimes by force (as in Colombia and, now, Honduras). Let us hope that the united force of all these newly empowered leftist leaders is able to turn back the Honduran coup and any others that are planned. Let's hope that democracy wins, and no one in Latin America ever again feels compelled make the dreadful choice of armed resistance. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The Tupamaros were quite different from other groups. Unusual people. |
Uruguay is the country where Nixon sent U.S. torturer, Dan Mitrione, to "educate" the local police in ways to torture any rebels they could locate.
See this video with comments by former US CIA guy, Phillip Agee, and an excellent author, A.J. Langguth. A little over 4 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIodEJ_EcY8 The Tupamaros Interrogate Dan Mitrione: Rare Audio Recording (1970) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyUk_YRdiXU&feature=related Costa-Gavras made a movie based on his story, "State of Siege," and it was scheduled to open in a premier at the Kennedy Center, and it was abruptly cancelled. It did NOT show widely in the U.S. It was not covered by critics. It was suppressed. It's virtually impossible to run down a copy to see at home. Daniel A. Mitrione (August 4, 1920–August 10, 1970) was an Italian-born<1> American police officer, FBI agent and a United States government security advisor for the CIA in Latin America.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Mitrione Daniel Mitrione was born in Italy on 4th August, 1920. The family emigrated to the United States and in 1945 Mitrione became a police officer in Richmond, Indiana.http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmitrione.htm It's in my plans. Brief summary of the Tupamaros: The Tupamaro movement was named after the Inca revolutionary Túpac Amaru II. Its origins lie in the union between the Movimiento de Apoyo al Campesino (Peasant Support Movement) and the members of trade unions funded by Sendic in poverty-stricken rural zones. It grew in proportionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupamaros |
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ChangoLoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Mujica on Chavez |
http://m.lanacion.com.ar/1173730-no-se-que-ideologia-tienen-los-kirchner
Part of the interview with other comments from an article in english: http://en.mercopress.com/2009/09/15/mujica-repentant-for-condemning-uruguay-to-endure-military-dictatorship It is a much longer interview. I took the part where he talks about Chavez because I find it to be very representative of my point of view. Maybe you will understand that Latin American left is very critical and divided concerning Chavez's model. And also, you'll find some quotes concerning his views on state intervention at the end. ............... -¿Le preocupa el papel de Hugo Chávez?/ Are you worried about Chavez's role? -El problema que tiene Chávez es que habla demasiado. Hay que hablar menos./ The problem Chavez has is that he speaks too much. He has to speak less. -Casi como Fidel Castro, ¿no?/ Almost like Fidel Castro, isn't it? -No, pero Fidel es mucho más sabio./ No, but Fidel is a lot wiser -Más allá de cuánto habla, se le cuestionan sus avances contra la libertad de expresión, la educación, la propiedad privada. ¿Cómo se lleva usted con la peor faceta de Chávez?/ Besides of how much he talks, he's been questionned for advancing against freedom of expression, education and private property. How do you get along with the worst side of Chavez? -Eso va a durar un tiempo. Le tengo simpatía porque él está dando respuestas sociales a mucha gente pobre. Es un país de locura./ That is going to last for a while. I feel sympathy for him because he's giving social answers to many people. Venezuela is a mad country. -¿Y si las formas no son las mejores?/ And if the ways/forms are not the best? -No son las más puras ni cosa que se les parezca, pero había gente que tenía una forma más pura y se robó todo. Venezuela debe de ser uno de los países más robados de la Tierra./ The forms (of Chavez) are not the most pure nor anything that would look pure, but there were people in Venezuela who had purer forms and they stole everything. Venezuela must be one of the most robbed countries on earth. -Por lo visto, si es elegido, piensa mantener y profundizar la relación con Chávez./ So it looks that if you are elected you are going to mantain and deepen the relationship with Chavez. -Para nosotros, tiene importancia. Somos dependientes del petróleo. Y Venezuela importa tres veces toda la leche en polvo que produce Conaprole It's important for us. We depend on oil. And Venezuela imports 3 times all the powder milk that Conaprole produces. Concerning his managing of certain things, I told Chavez: "Look, you are not constructing any socialism. The only thing that will remain in Venezuela is a bureaucracy and you know what that's like, isn't it?" -¿Y qué le contestó Chávez?/ And what did Chavez answered? -¡Qué quiere que me diga! Yo no lo voy a convencer. Yo le digo lo que pienso./ What do you want him to answer! I'm not going to convince him. I tell him what I think. .............. The role of the state for Mujica: "If belonging to the left means defending a strong government intervention in the economy and a strong state tendency in economic affairs, that's not for me" "I'm more a libertarian than a man who thinks the state is the solution. My Socialist ideas support self-management and I don't mix it with the power of the state. The job of government is to help with social distribution, to avoid the accumulation of social rust-belts which the market can't address, and they finish being extremely dear for the rest of the community". |
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Braulio (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I like this guy too |
I like the libertarian angle, hope he legalizes pot as soon as he gets in. But I do remember those guys were pretty violent. I was in BBAA in 1979 and almost got blown up by their local branch. And to top it off the local secret police thugs came by the following week and almost kidnapped me. I got lucky because I was out playing basketball when they came for me.
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. Uruguay’s Mujica Has 45.5% Support Ahead of Election, Poll Says |
Uruguay’s Mujica Has 45.5% Support Ahead of Election, Poll Says
By Bill Faries Oct. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Former Uruguayan guerilla Jose Mujica leads opposition candidate and ex-President Luis Alberto Lacalle ahead of the country’s Oct. 25 presidential elections, according to a poll by Montevideo-based Equipos Mori. Mujica, of the ruling Frente Amplio coalition, has 45.5 percent support compared with 27 percent for the National Party’s Lacalle, Equipos Mori said on its Web site. Colorado Party leader Pedro Bordaberry is in third place with 14.3 percent. Another 7.4 percent of voters are undecided. A candidate needs 50 percent support to avoid a Nov. 29 run-off. The results of the poll are in line with a survey published yesterday by Grupo Radar, which showed Mujica with 44.7 percent support compared with 28.7 percent for Lacalle. The Equipos Mori survey of 1,200 people was conducted Oct. 15 to Oct. 18 and has a margin of error of 2.8 percentage points, the pollster said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=at2ombD8b7QM |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. Economist: The mystery behind Mujica's mask |
The mystery behind Mujica's mask
Oct 22nd 2009 | MONTEVIDEO From The Economist print edition The ruling Broad Front’s flower-growing ex-revolutionary is well ahead in the presidential race. But how far left would he push Uruguay if elected? THE son of a dictator, neoliberalism’s booster-in-chief and a roly-poly former guerrilla, who, after 14 years in prison, grows flowers on a small farm and swears by vegetarianism. That is how some Uruguayans characterise the options they will face on October 25th when they choose a new president and Congress. The latest presidential polls show Pedro Bordaberry of the Colorado Party and the unfortunate family background trailing far behind Luis Alberto Lacalle of the centre-right National Party. In turn Mr Lacalle, who was president in 1990-95, trails the green-fingered José Mujica of the ruling, soft-left Broad Front coalition by 18 points. Weeks ago, a run-off between the two main candidates looked inevitable; now there is a chance Mr Mujica will win in one round. That is because the pool of undecided voters has swollen. Mr Lacalle has lost support since the primary elections in June. Uruguayans are a traditional, well-mannered bunch. Some have taken offence at the way Mr Lacalle refers to those claiming welfare benefits. Mr Mujica has also let his tongue slip, but has nevertheless retained his popularity. In a long interview published as a book, for instance, he calls Argentina “a nation of morons”—forgetting that without the votes of Uruguayans living in Argentina, his party would have faced a run-off in 2004. They could prove as influential this time. Such unpresidential comments may hurt him more in a second round, in which Mr Lacalle can expect the backing of the Colorados. Unlike previous elections during the country’s current period of democracy, this one is overshadowed by the success of the incumbent president rather than by his shortcomings. It is also the first in which the Broad Front—which had never won the presidency until 2004 but has gained roughly 1% of the vote each year for the past 20 years—can be judged on its record rather than its aspirations. In almost five years as president, Tabaré Vázquez, and his like-minded finance minister (until 2008), Danilo Astori, stuck to economic orthodoxy. As commodity prices soared and the economy recoiled from a recession in 2000-03, they tripled foreign investment, cut poverty and unemployment, cut public debt from 79% of GDP to 60% and kept inflation steady. More: http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14700728 |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. Judi, listen to Tupamaro interrogating Mitrione |
Fresh out of the university here in the States, I went to work in Buenos Aires when the Tupamaros were at their apex across the Rio de la Plata in Montevideo. One day our office in Montevideo received a phone tip from the Tupamaros that there was "something" under the second-story stairwell of a large store named the Galleria Americas in the heart of Montevideo. It was a tape of the Tupas interrogating Mitrione, then captive. The tape was one of those reel-to-reel machine tapes used back in those days. The interrogation was long, about four hours of tape, and it was all in English. I was sent to Montevideo to help transcribe the tape, but because it was so long, our head office in New York instructed up to urgently send the tape so it would be fully transcribed. In New York, the text was given to news organization for broadcasting. London was very interested in it because the British ambassador, Goffrey Jackson, had also been kidnapped by the Tupas. He was released after eight months in captivity. Sometime back I found a very brief youtube video of Mitrione being questioned. One of my big regrets now is that I did not make a copy of the full tape. You can hear his voice before he was executed here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyUk_YRdiXU Here is the Nixon administration reaction, of course all lies and propaganda; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIodEJ_EcY8 There are other video about the Tupas on the same site, most in Spanish. I also recommend the movie "State of Siege" if you have not seen it. |
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rabs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. Another Tupamaro anecdote |
Judi, did not see your post #3 with the Mitrione youtubes you also included. Sorry about that. ----------------------------- One day the Uruguayan police held a news conference in Montevideo to dispel reports that Tupamaro prisoners were being tortured. I was able to get in with a Uruguayan TV team that worked for ITN television in London. The police brought out an attractive young lady who was a member of the Tupas. Her name was Lucia Topolansky. The police chief, who was named Alexandro Otero, ordered her to roll up her sleeves to show that she did not have needle marks on her arms after someone asked if she had been administered truth-serum shots. She said, "No," and did not roll up her sleeves. There was nothing the police chief could do because the conference was being filmed for television. The people at the news conference cracked up. Anyway, Mujica's wife is now Lucia Topolansky. They were married just a couple of years ago but had been partners since they were both released from prison. She has been reported to be much more hard-core leftist then Mujica, who has mellowed out over the years into a Lula da Silva-style leftist. Lucia and Pepe enjoy a sweet Campaign sign with Pepe and Lucia's names. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-22-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Amazing story, rabs. What a couple. They've been through so much together, haven't they? |
Looking for photos, I've seen tons of them together. They seem to be a real partnership, no doubt about it.
It looks as if the public is fond of both of them, too. Saw that Lucia Topolansky became a senator, herself, and has also been active in politics. http://farm1.static.flickr.com.nyud.net:8090/52/156190899_2a5224633e.jpg Your posts with Maria Lamoretti in Argentina were amazing during the 2000 CNN conversations. Was startled even learning people were corresponding actively from that far away. You had so many shared, confirmed experiences, and observations. It was wonderful getting a quick shot of information on subjects which had been concealed for so long. So much horrendous upheaval in LatAm fast and furious history you and people like Maria, and Larry from Chile lived through was NEVER known even here. It's a crime, in every way, that although this country was so intimately involved in financing and supporting these monstrosities, doing the things people like Kissinger are trying to hide now, trying to live down, attempting to explain away, passing the buck, our own media got played like a bunch of violins. They were open channels of nothing but propaganda, keeping the US public completely ignorant, and blissfully unaware. What we DID hear and read was disinformation. People had no idea Presidents involved this country in grotesque conflicts against the people in this hemisphere while also destroying so many human lives in VietNam and Laos and Cambodia. I'm looking forward to finding more information on "Pepe" Mujica, now, and Lucia Topolansky. A book on their lives would be amazing. She's one strong person. Only belief can give someone that kind of personal strength. Belief based on personal experience, and a deep understanding of people and behavior. |
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