BoRev: the text of the actual ballot question

[subsuelo]

http://www.borev.net/2009/06/national_news_outlets_bring_th.html

... It was probably too much work to like, bother to read the text of the actual ballot question, which translates to:

"Do you agree that, during the general elections of November 2009 there should be a fourth ballot to decide whether to hold a Constituent National Assembly that will approve a new political constitution?"

Wait, where was the part about the part about term limits?

[EFerrari]

1. Exactly and that's why I think some element at State or the Pentagon

is invvolved. The spin is bright and shiney and persistent and has been broadcast very efficiently.

[Judi Lynn]

2. Amazing. So THIS is their excuse to overthrow the people's election of President Zelaya.

It's one for the books. Thanks for this correct information. What a breath of fresh air.

[EFerrari]

3. Peace Patriot is probably right. This was about Ham.

No word on him that I can find.

[Peace Patriot]

4. Narconews has said its report that Ham was murdered was wrong. He is alive.

With the military shutdown of all media (they have surrounded TV stations and public buildings with troops and tanks), and the shutdown of electricity, it is certainly difficult to know what's going in Honduras, so unconfirmed reports such as the one about Ham's murder (the ONLY leftist presidential candidate for the November election), must be taken seriously until proven otherwise. I am greatly relieved to know that he was not killed--but I don't think the danger to leftists is over, by any means.

I'm beginning to think, though, that my first guess is true, that Obama gave the nod (or wink?) to the coup "as long as it wasn't too bloody." I'm thinking that's a pretty good guess as to Obama's position in this, although I would like to believe that he opposed it and that he has been betrayed or disobeyed by someone (Pentagon? CIA?), and/or that retired Bushwhacks are running it. Obama's a hard man to read. I'm still going back and forth about him, re Latin America. In any case, if I'm right, maybe the fascists wont' beat up, torture and kill a lot of people. Maybe it will be a relatively unbloody coup. Could be this will be an Obama signature: He doesn't have the power to stop our global corporate predators from grabbing all resources and power and impoverishing and enslaving us all, but he can restrain their bloodier intentions for appearances sake. Bloody repression is damned messy, and there can be blowback. Better to keep things more polite. (But try to tell that to the Afghans in the "forgotten war.")

It was quite amazing how the fascist "talking point" that apparently came from the blog of a rightwing prez candidate--that the referendum was about Zelaya's term limit--got repeated by every corpo/fascist 'news' outlet, including the BBC. I read Evo Golinger's first report, early on, and knew it wasn't true. But there it was in every 'news' story. The anti-Chavez factory was hard at work trying to slime Zelaya with their highly successful steaming excrement about "Chavez, the dictator, president-for-life." Wouldn't you know it would be BoRev who got it right--and went right to the source--the actual wording of the referendum! BoRev is one of the most reliable sources of news on Planet Earth, and they deliver it with a laugh. I love BoRev!

[EFerrari]

5. The polish of the bs makes me think the Pentagon.

State seems to rely on outsourcing -- via NED, via press release -- but the Pentagon seems to have a more extensive in house shop, which is weird when you think about it.

And I don't think at the moment that Obama had to give his okay on this. Honduras is small and poor. All someone would need to say to him is, these people are about to get into a brawl and we can't really stop them. :shrug:

Hillary has been too squishy for my taste. Obama, harder to know, yet.

[subcomhd]

6. true believers

If there is involvement by some elements within the US government, they are doing it because they are right-wing ideologues, not for economic reasons. Honduras has no real economic or strategic value for a modern-day empire. To find the guilty parties, if they are there, look for the true believers.

[Peace Patriot]

7. You are probably right, but Honduras does have great strategic importance

to the "war on drugs" profiteers, and to the Bushwhack-planned oil war against Venezuela, as well as being the one of the last bastions of "free trade" and fascist elite rule. Honduras has a history as the war profiteers' "lily pad"--launch point for dirty wars. It was the way station for all manner of dirty wars in Central America in the 1980s. It has a long coast on the Caribbean (where the Bushwhacks re-installed the U.S. 4th Fleet) and access to the Pacific. It is now surrounded by democratic leftist governments--to the north, south and west--which are bolstered by the many leftist governments in South America. It may not have much by the way of exploitable natural resources, but it is not unimportant as a headquarters for "circling the wagons" in the Caribbean against the overwhelming leftist tide.

[subcomhd]

8. Much Less Than it Used to

I don't think anyone, other than neo-cons are afraid of a leftist tide. The US has very good relations with most of the new left governments. During the cold war and the accompanying hysteria towards any popular movement, regardless of how unradical, sure. Arbenz comes to mind. I don't think your Republican "realist' school of diplomacy - Baker, Scowcroft, etc. - would back such a thing now. Now the Boltons of the world -sure. I'm not saying they are altruistic - I just don't think they would find it important. If there is US government involvement it is coming from people are still fighting the commies (in their minds since they all declined when given a chance to go fight real "commies")