Can anyone help with this article...is that an accurate translation

[slipslidingaway]

Venezuela's Chavez says Obama has "stench" of Bush

posted here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8099802&mesg_id=8099802

Thanks

[Bacchus39]

1. Obama is the "misma miasma"

miasma   /maɪˈæzmə, mi-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -mas, -ma⋅ta  /-mətə/ Show Spelled Pronunciation <-muh-tuh> Show IPA Pronunciation . 1. noxious exhalations from putrescent organic matter; poisonous effluvia or germs polluting the atmosphere.
2. a dangerous, foreboding, or deathlike influence or atmosphere.


Reuters article in Spanish

http://lta.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idLTASIE50G0Q320090117


also says Obama will be a fiasco among other insults. Chavez is a clown. no reason for Obama to make any overtures to Chave.

[slipslidingaway]

2. Thanks for finding that phrase...

as for meeting with Chavez I disagree and think Chavez has reason to to be skeptical of our intentions.

[Bacchus39]

3. our intentions?? there is no reason to meet with Chavez

they sell oil, we buy it. case closed. I guess drug interdiction could be an area of discussion, but I am no fan of the war on drugs, and does Chavez even care about the issue?

[struggle4progress]

4. Further comments on this matter:

Analysis should be based on facts, not the other way around
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=11051&mesg_id=11064

[struggle4progress]

5. Update

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=405&topic_id=11051&mesg_id=11069

[slipslidingaway]

6. Thanks for the updates, would be interested in reading the entire

13 minute interview...still looking.


http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/19/chavez-vs-obama-round-one/

"...In an interview shown in the past week on the Spanish-language network Univision, U.S. President-elect Barack Obama said that Venezuela’s firebrand president, Hugo Chávez, has hindered progress in Latin America, and he expressed concern that Chávez’s leftist government has assisted Colombia’s biggest guerrilla movement, a group the United States considers a terrorist organization. Chávez responded this weekend by saying that Obama had “the same stench” as President Bush, a frequent target of Chávez’s remarks.
…..
Obama said his administration is open to starting talks with Chávez to improve relations, which have frayed badly since the Bush administration celebrated Chávez’s brief overthrow at the hands of rebellious military officers in 2002. But in the 13-minute interview aired by Univision, Obama said Chávez had “been a force that has interrupted progress in the region.”

Obama made similar criticisms of Chavez during his campaign for president..."

[EFerrari]

8. Apparently, Obama didn't get the memo that there were no FARC emails

on the magic laptop.

[Mika]

9. sfexpat, can you fill me in w/a link?

During the recent upset in my life I must have missed the stories/threads on this. Do you have links that would help me get the straight story on this?

Last I remember is that Interpol found there was tampering with the hard drives, but that's all I remember.

Thanks a lot. :hug:

[PufPuf23]

10. Not SFexPat but BoRev is a fun and informative to read blog

on the region that followed the magic laptop story.

http://www.borev.net/

[Mika]

17. Do you have a specific link?

Thanks. :hi:

[slipslidingaway]

11. A couple of links...

May 22, 2008

Colombia: What did Interpol find in the laptops?

http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=1543


"...The Colombians asked Interpol to examine the files. Interpol released its report on May 15, admitting there was no evidence the Colombians tampered with the files. But the report also said there was no proof there was no tampering...

And if you read the Interpol report carefully, as you said, they say that, in fact. They also say that what they call the chain of custody—this is a sort of technical term that forensic experts use—the chain of custody was broken between March 1 and March 3. And, in fact, during that 48-hour period, the computer was under the control of the Ministry of Defense and an elite anti-terrorist squad. And, in fact, the Interpol report says that the Colombian government had direct access to those computers in that 48-hour period.

ESCOBAR: In the middle of the report, they say that some documents, they have different date stamps on them as well. So this proves that they could have been tampered.

HYLTON: Absolutely. They could have been tampered with. And the only source that says they were not tampered with is the interested party, which is to say the Colombian government itself. So what this is really all about is manufacturing threats.

(CLIP BEGINS)

RONALD KENNETH NOBLE, SECRETARY GENERAL, INTERPOL: The volume of this data would correspond to 39.5-million pages in Microsoft Word—39.5-million pages. It would take more than 1,000 years—more than 1,000 years—to read all the data if one person read 100 pages per day.

(CLIP ENDS)

ESCOBAR: So how could the Colombian government read them in two or three days?..."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3329729&mesg_id=3329729


"Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Thu May-29-08 01:41 AM
Response to Original message
1. Yeah, ain't it curious! But what makes you think the Raul Reyes laptops were secure?
Interpol Notes Improper Initial Handling of FARC Laptops
By Constanza Vieira

"Using their forensic tools, they (the Interpol experts) found a total of 48,055 files for which the timestamps indicated that they had either been created, accessed, modified or deleted as a result of the direct access to the eight seized exhibits by Colombian authorities between the time of their seizure on 1 March 2008 and 3 March 2008 at 11:45 a.m."
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=42391

This is the part of the Interpol report that the Associated Pukes don't quote--and, indeed, deliberately ignore and blackhole. 48,055 files! They use the opener of the report--that the Colombian military didn't alter anything after they notified Interpol that they wanted them to analyze the laptops. They omit what the Colombian military did before that date. Interpol very strictly only analyzed ownership, they said. They even hired non-Spanish speakers as the analysts. They had nothing to say about the contents of the files. Nothing! Neither to describe nor verify. And the two days of insecurity, during which the Colombian military altered 48,055 files, made the laptops useless as evidence in a court of law, according to the Interpol report..."

[Mika]

18. Thank you.

So what about all of those supposed sinister contacts between Chavez and FARC?

[slipslidingaway]

19. You're welcome, I lost track of the story after this point. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

12. It would be nice to read the transcript of the entire interview with

Univision. From what I remember reading there were questions about those computers, posted a couple of links below, so why make these statements on 1/12/2009. Diplomacy could have had a better start.

[AlphaCentauri]

21. Many Univision employees used to work for TV Marti

don't expect them to release any good saying about leftist in latin america

[roody]

7. Where is the Spanish version?

[slipslidingaway]

13. Video and text here...

http://www.radiomundial.com.ve/yvke/noticia.php?t=17850&imprimir=1

[roody]

14. He's not a very good dictator. Nobody is listening to him.

[roody]

15. self delete---wrong place

[roody]

16. miasma--

emanacion perniciosa de las sustancias putridas. "Stench" is pretty accurate. Chavez says that he hopes he is mistaken.

[slipslidingaway]

20. Thanks, these comments by Chavez were given coverage in

the US. What was not given much coverage were the remarks Obama made to Univision which preceded these latest remarks.