Friends, a question.

[elleng]

Does anyone think that hrc and O will run together? See such signalled at 'debate?' Think that's what standing O was about?

[muddrunner17]

1. If obama wins, then no.

Hillary is too polarizing and would probably hurt Obama. He will need to compete with McCain for the moderate/independent vote. I think he will need someone that will help draw them in. There was an article in Time about that a couple of weeks a go. It said Obama would aid hillary, but she wouldn't really help him.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1710667,00.html

[Eurobabe]

2. I don't see it happening on either end.

[jillan]

3. No - I get the feeling that they really do not like each other.

Kinda like gd-p all rolled into each one.

[Muttocracy]

4. agreed :)

[Muttocracy]

5. they both need someone with foreign policy and/or governing experience

to pull votes away from folks who might go for McCain (experience, war hero, and whatnot).

And after he's said she's divisive and she's said he's clueless, I don't see how they could run together.

[gateley]

6. No. nt

[Tashca]

7. Nope

I don't see where either one would add much strength to a combination.

They both need a choice who could take and give flak.....cause they are gonna get it with both barrels.

I've been catching some of the framing the repugs are gonna use.....it's not gonna be pretty...

[muddrunner17]

8. I don't know, it seems like Obama is Teflon

All the crap that has been thrown at him so far just hasn't stuck. Hillary tried going negative and it only hurt her more. That's why she didn't press him too hard last night. It seems that to go negative hurts more than it helps and to stay positive doesn't change much in the polls. I think the same will be true if he faces McCain. The rules seem to have changed. I don't think McCain will be able to modernize his strategy. He's going to throw all the mud he can, and it will be taken or twisted into racism and will hurt McCain in the polls. Obama deflects attacks and doesn't punch back as directly. It allows him to appear to be above the fray. I don't think many can do it as skillfully as he has learned through the 19 debates so far.

[jillan]

9. He really did a great job last nite when they were talking about the 'get real' line that Hillary

his been using. He totally turned that around.

You gotta give the man credit, he is great at framing the debate.
I just want to see him a little quicker on the attacks that are in the press.
That thing with Michelle went a whole day before his campaign responded. And now it's a rw talking point.
I guess I still shudder when I think about 2004 and the Kerry campaign waiting so long to respond to the swift boat liars.

[Tashca]

10. I respectfully disagree

When Hillary tries to debate him....(and she does very well)....she has to be very careful not to upset the Democrat base. Besides if the debates even mattered Senator Joe Biden would now be the nominee. He easily won the past debates.

McCain won't have that situation stopping him. I doubt he will care less what the Democrats think. The RW media is where the attacks will come from. Just like the swiftboating that was mentioned in another post. The framing that I have heard mostly over and over the last few days....."He is a great orator, but only a recent community activist."...maybe to people that are political junkies that means nothing.....but to the people that decide the elections......hearing that pounded over and over is going to be hard to defend. That frame tells you he has little experience and and be careful of his words.

I know Obama will try to stay above the fray as he tries to claim. I'm afraid he will quickly be pulled into the mud.....I truly hope he is up to it. As much as we try to think this is about the candidates....it's really about the campaign staff and there ability to defend and respond.

I really do hope he is something other than what we have experienced in the past....A breath of fresh air.

[elleng]

11. Thanks, guys,

for the discussion!

[WheelWalker]

12. "No Truth Is Too Strange"

- Gurudeva Sri Yodananda Samadhi