We've lost our minds!

[gateley]

After days of the Clinton/Obama racial accusations, now it's

"Obama praises Ronald Reagan".

People are actually pulling up Reagan quotes to show what a slime he was, as well as pro-Reagan quotes from Kerry and Kennedy.

Obama did NOT praise Reagan, any more than Hillary "said that MLK didn't further the Civil Rights Movement."

What are these people doing? I honestly honestly honestly don't understand it.

[Steely_Dan]

1. I've Nearly...

given up on this board. I can remember repeating to myself over and over again..."What is wrong with these Republicans?" "Why can't they see what I'm seeing?" "Why are they in denial?"

I'm beginning to think that they are not the only ones that are delusional. Apparently Democrats are just as capable of delusion as are the Republicans. They will do ANYTHING to support their candidate...even if it means abandoning reason.

-Paige

[PatSeg]

2. Maybe its just human nature

People are tribal by nature and many of them have picked their leader and have put their blinders on. I don't know. I don't recall it being so extreme before though. Perhaps seven years of Bush has pushed people over the edge.

I have noticed that all these people who criticize the MSM are parroting what the pundits are saying.

[elleng]

3. tsega, I think

that people have heard msm for so long, they've 'learned' how to 'think' like they do.

Bad news for all of us.

[WheelWalker]

6. Yep, neural pathways HAVE been altered.

[lyonn]

11. Yes, we are all schizophrenic......

Hell, I really try to not get nasty but when Reagan was described in any positive way, well, that's when I went schizo. The guy, his wife and his admin. turned me from "all parties have good points" to hell no to repubs altogether. Reagan was allowed to say one thing and did another, great teacher for the repub party and Doofus that is in office now. With the media's help it has worked better than the repubs could even dream - or any of us.

For sure any of our Dem candidates gets my vote in November! Right now Edwards give me a few positive vibs that the other two don't. No big deal, just want a Dem Pres and packed Dem Congress.

Edit: The repubs have been re-writing history with Reagan. What BS. He ruined our economy - banks failed, people lost their homes. Remember trickle down? I bought it. Tells me I am not too bright but after awhile I will get it......

[KingOfLostSouls]

4. they're fucking idiots

like I posted in my GD thread


"do you guys WANT to lose?"


thats what they're doing. they WANT to lose.


I've been looking at overseas sales jobs already tonight...

[lyonn]

13. King, cheer up

We are going to Win no matter our candidate! Those repub idiots running for pres don't have a chance. The masses are not paying much attention to the candidates now. For sure the masses don't like what george has done and on election day they will vote against His Party.

We had 8 pretty damn good years with Bill. Sure he had faults but he was way ahead of any Repubs since "at least" Nixon. Think about it. We have had only Carter and Clinton since then to lead us. Oh, and I'm leaning heavily towards Edwards at this point. I wanna believe he is not so bought and paid for. Hey, what's wrong with being positive?

[ginchinchili]

35. That's what I've been saying. Democrats seem determined to lose.

Unfortunately, I think the Democrats best chance of winning now depends on the Republicans, who they choose and how he runs his campaign. Isn't that a hell of a note. This should be a cake walk for the Democrats, and would have been had they been smart enough to nominate Biden. Now look at us. We're shooting craps on our nation's, and the world's, future. Great.

[Froward69]

5. I just got into

a long discussion with a former bidenite in the office yesterday. we were discussing why Democrats seem to go for what the media says we should go for.

BOTH of us were disgusted with the hype associated with the bickering between O & H that is really just hype of the media. new scandal seems to sell. where as old scandal seems to be brushed aside. aka bush.

invented scandal between all four Dems(K,O,H&J) is only serving to tear away at that 77% that would vote for an Unnamed Dem.

I have had it with stupid people who are all about complaining over invented scandal. where as it would seem their complaints of old scandal fell on deaf ears so new scandal will listen???

I have had it. I had hope when JOE was running. now i feel lost and unwilling to work for any other.

[gateley]

9. Where on earth have you been? How's Gregg? nt

[Froward69]

27. It's Glenn and

he is recuperating. tired all the time and cannot go back to work.

I have been in the throws of vacancy's one after another. ONE tenant broke her lease and demanded her deposit back. um no, sorry as she never wrote me a check that did not bounce. and after all, she BROKE her lease! so she initiated a smear campaign towards me and the building regarding bed bugs.
so i called...
Health department= clean bill of health.
exterminator= will issue a report after a two year contract @ $250 a month...
No thanks, as NO one else has the problem. if they were in one unit then they would be in ALL the units. then three move outs. loosing my wallet... BLAH blah blah.

oh yeah the letter from the maintenance union almost sent me up a tower with a rifle. they want me to INCREASE my hourly charge as their members are loosing business because us Independents are less expensive and driving down costs... putting union members out of work. Pul-ease... and oh yeah Vote for edwards...

I am only on to do background checks this morn. then on to the office. multiple showings this afternoon
rebuild stoves between showings. more BLAH blah blah.

[AspenRose]

7. Glad I've been away for a few days.

*shaking head*

Yes, I'm sure there are "operatives" or "trolls" here, but I'm sure there are many who are NOT.

Machiavelli would be proud. :-(

[mjg540]

8. Are we going to take it?

I've been accessing this site for some hope that a grass roots movement would take hold to get Biden back. I'm from Iowa and saw first hand how his message was starting to take hold. We blew it! No excuses, but we were not prepared for the large group of uninformed voters. I'm still holding out hope for Biden, but the dough4joe web site is not getting to his supporters. Any ideas to make that happen. Does anyone have his email list from the president campaign.
Ladies and Gentleman, as Biden would say, "this is about action". We can do this if we unite.

[gateley]

10. Well, hi, mjg540!

Welcome to DU and to the Biden forum!

My personal guess is that Joe won't get back in the race. My personal FANTASY is that for one reason or another, the Democratic Party DRAFTS him into service, as it were.

I honestly DO feel safe knowing he's in Washington, watching our backs.

I really think we missed a golden opportunity.

[lyonn]

12. There ya go Gateley! How about Biden for Senate Leader!!!?

That is an inspiring thought. Lord knows we need some.

[gateley]

14. I want him where he's most powerful --

If he was the Senate Leader would he still be able to Chair the SFRC? I think that's critical now.

Of course, he SHOULD be President, as we all know! :hi:

[lyonn]

15. Harry Reid has stumbled badly as far as I can tell

To soft on the repubs. Can't you see Biden setting the agenda? Hearings investigating the evil repubs? Subpoenas being issued and real ramifications for not appearing. Setting the agenda for the Senate? Why couldn't he keep his SFRC Chair? I truly don't know how that works.

Reid continues the weak Dem theory in the peoples' minds. What is the approval rating of the Senate? Not good, Reid is partly responsible. This would get Biden front and center but, how can the Senate make it happen??

[gateley]

17. I agree that Reid is a waste. I don't know how one gets to be the leader --

do you? And do you know how long that position lasts?

[PatSeg]

16. Hi mjg

Welcome to the group.

I've been disturbed by the stories I've heard from Iowa. I had such high hopes that he would have a good showing there. I've collected all the stories I could find here and elsewhere and there is a disturbing pattern there. It has had a negative impact on how I view the Obama campaign in particular.

Now I'm hearing stories about Nevada that make me doubt how democratic caucuses really are and I'm afraid a lot of people will be disenfranchised because of union endorsements there.

[lyonn]

18. So agree about caucuses

People standing around playing the stratigist game with our candidates. Such as, you vote for my guy and then you will stop that guy. What is wrong with the secret ballot system we are all familiar with? Viable? how goofy is that. Count votes and let the chips fall where they may. Iowa has way to much power. At least NH counts the votes.

[PatSeg]

19. Some of the stories I've heard from Iowa

talk about people not having to show proof that they are Iowa residents, just sign in, and meanwhile locals say people showed up that they've never seen before. In Nevada I am expecting to hear stories from union workers intimidated by union bosses to vote for the candidate the union endorses out of fear of retribution. This is not democratic.

[lyonn]

20. Damned good point about Labor bosses, that's not democracy

And some Biden supporter on here showed a map of Iowa and who won the districts and all along the Illinois border Obama won them all. That was interesting considering proof of residency didn't seem to matter. hummm

[PatSeg]

21. That was Corona

and it was rather enlightening. The map reinforced many of the stories I've heard.

As for Unions, historically people are leery of going against their union and fellow union workers. I am sure the after stories will be as outrageous as the caucus stories out of Iowa.

[mjg540]

22. Iowa Caucus's

I think we all know by now that the Iowa Caucus's were a joke. Not all caucus goers were Iowa residents...Some were "legal" by Iowa standards, like the college kids, but not Iowa voters in the true sense of the word. No one is even remotely interested in checking out the last minute registars. Some candidates staffers were precinct captains and voters, despite signing a pledge not to do so. I think that flies in the face of all Iowans who took their job seriously and does nothing to promote a candidate that claims to be about honesty and integrity.
The saddest part of all this is the amount of Republicans and independents that we had taking a serious look at Biden. I made a precinct captain out of a guy that had never voted Democrat in his entire life, but was 100% behind Biden. I know there were more that caucused for him.
Oh well, either the system gets changed or Iowa does not deserve to be first in the nation ever again!

[PatSeg]

23. And if the Iowa Democratic party wants to keep these

caucuses, then I think you're right, they shouldn't be first. The amount of money spent by candidates in Iowa is outrageous. The rest of the country gets stuck with the choices made in Iowa, which says our vote doesn't count, unless we go with a front-runner.

Hey mjg, how did you find us?

[mjg540]

24. Found

I found the DU after long searches on the internet trying to channel my energies after working Biden's campaign in Iowa.

[PatSeg]

25. Thank goodness you found us

I remember that oppressive feeling the night of the Iowa Caucuses, a feeling that hovered for a long time. If I hadn't had the people here, it would have been much more difficult. We were all in a total state of shock. I'm only now getting back my ability to communicate. For a while, I could barely type one or two word responses.

What is amazing is we're are still one of the most consistently active groups here.

[Eurobabe]

26. DU circular firing squad

Ever ready... :eyes:

[mjg540]

28. Ever Ready for What?

It appears we are all ready here, but to do what? I feel like we should be doing something. Is anyone here going to support Obama or Hillary? I don't think I can. I watched Biden up close and personal in Iowa, saw him win the debates, and listened carefully to his message. Neither of the front runners even come close to matching up to Biden and his message. There are 22 Americans dead in January in this war that is going so well. What is the tolerance level of Americans...The war is only a talking point when it should be front and center. I understand it's the Economy Stupid, but stupid, if you continue to spill our blood and treasure in Iraq, there will be no economy.

[Carla4Biden]

29. I'm with you

I still cannot support Obama or Clinton at this point. I wish, I wish...for a leader I can believe in. I love Joe Biden.

[PatSeg]

30. It is really hard after Biden

to take any of the other candidates seriously, but obviously one will be the nominee So I'm trying to be objective, but it isn't easy. I'm leaning towards Clinton, but will probably vote for Biden as he is still on our ballot here.

[mjg540]

31. Vote Biden

I think that would be the best idea. Who knows how this whole thing will shake down. With so many unhappy Democrats, we could find that we have a whole bunch of undecided delegates by convention time. If either candidate pulls ahead, will Obama supporters back Hillary or the other way around? It could be interesting. Maybe the Dems will be split and give a third candidate a chance to rise. Interesting indeed.

[PatSeg]

32. I feel I have to vote for Biden

as I've invested so much mental and emotional energy. It is more of a statement than anything. I've seen too many people who were able to switch camps very easily, which is fine, but I can't do that. I will never have the same enthusiasm for the other candidates. Candidates like Biden don't come along very often and I don't expect to see another one equal to him in my lifetime.

[mjg540]

33. I concur!

[ginchinchili]

36. As do I! I will write in Biden's name in the primary...

and will try to vote for Lucy or Desi in the general, but since it won't matter much here in Republisippi I might just go to a bar and drink to the health of our nation.

[gateley]

34. I can't seem to get behind any of the other candidates.

When I find myself thinking "oh s/he" won't be so bad, then I'm reminded of all the reasons why I DIDN'T support him/her to begin with.

I've pretty much decided I'll vote for (or write in if I have to) Biden in our primary, then vote for whoever the nom is in the GE.