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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 08:29 PM
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Fighting, or Funding, "Terror".
Edited on Mon May-28-07 08:58 PM by reprehensor
Leave behind, for a moment, if you will, the absurdity of fighting a noun, and accept that 'Merika is fighting the "War on Terror". Just for grins.

If this is so, then why is the CIA "giving arms-length support, supplying money and weapons, to an Iranian militant group, Jundullah, which has conducted raids into Iran from bases in Pakistan"? (This is what Seymour Hersh has been pointing to, his reports apparently ignored by Congress.)

Jundullah operatives in Iran are allegedly led by a fellow named Abd el Malik Regi;

The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.

"He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

"Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.


Executing them on camera, dang that rings a bell. I mean, that really rings a bell. Can't place it just now, but...

Anyhow, according to this Pakistani report from 2004, Jundullah is closely associated with Al Qaeda;

Coming from a similar middle-class ground, Attaur Rehman is yet another face of the new Islamic militancy in Pakistan. A graduate from Karachi University, he was arrested in June for masterminding a series of terrorist attacks in Karachi. A tall and heavily built man in his early 30s, Rehman was associated with Islami Jamiat-Talba, the student wing of the Jamaat-i-Islami. He later broke away from the Jamaat to form his own militant group, Jundullah (Army of God), which draws its cadres mainly from the educated and professional classes.

According to police, Rehman is closely associated with Al-Qaeda's network in Pakistan, which has grown in strength despite the capture of hundreds of its operatives over the last few years. A well-knit cell comprising some 20 militants, most of them in their 20s and 30s, Jundullah is one of the new and, perhaps, the most fierce of the militant groups behind the recent spate of violence in Karachi. The group hit the headlines after a daring attack last month on the motorcade of Karachi's Corps Commander. The general narrowly escaped death, but 11 people, including eight soldiers were killed. It was the most serious terrorist action targeting the military since the two failed assassination attempts on President Musharraf in Rawalpindi in December last year. Jundullah has also been involved in attacks on rangers, police stations, as well as the twin car bombings outside the Pakistan-US Cultural Center last month.


Apparently we are are to be reassured by the fact that it's actually the ISI that is supporting Jundullah directly, but the ISI denies this. The Telegraph article drops this pretension, but somehow I'm not comforted by the fact that it's the ISI. The ISI is a well-known proxy for US covert operations, dating from activities in Afghanistan in the 80s. The ISI is reportedly linked to supplying money to alleged 9/11 hijacker, Mohamed Atta. However, President Musharaf, in an attempt to distance himself from this report, has claimed that the operative who sent money to Atta, was a long time MI6 agent. Never heard of this? There are reports that Pakistan lobbied the 9/11 Commission to purge these stories from the 9/11 Commission Final Report. So who to believe?

Note that Regi, the alleged leader of Jundullah conducting operations in Iran, is identified as "part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist". I think they forgot, "all intelligence operative".

This guy is a criminal, being maneuvered by Western Intelligence, into doing their dirty work. The question is, when the dollars are being passed around, who is making sure that none of these dollars are being used to mangle and murder our friends and relatives in the military, on the ground, in Iraq? Who is making sure that none of these beheading videos don't include Americans? Where does propaganda stop, and reality begin?

I've documented the unhealthy relationship between US covert operations and the Afghan opium trade here. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Agents working for the advancement of US strategic goals have been facilitating Al Qaeda for nearly two decades now, crossing administrations, as documented by British author, Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed.

Where does the madness end?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 09:01 PM
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1.  k&r
Edited on Mon May-28-07 09:03 PM by seemslikeadream
Iranian officials say they captured 10 members of Jundullah last weekend, carrying $500,000 in cash along with "maps of sensitive areas" and "modern spy equipment".


Everyone should watch this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnUWcjXvdlo
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 09:23 PM
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2. Extremely Highly Recommended. What a gem.
"Executing them on camera, dang that rings a bell. I mean, that really rings a bell. Can't place it just now, but...

Anyhow, according to this Pakistani report from 2004, Jundullah is closely associated with Al Qaeda;"

But Reprehensor, I beg your indulgence. If this crew "is closely associated with Al Queada" how then
could they be working for us? Irony abounds.

This post and Bleever's on Rove-Goolding give me faith that citizens will unearth the truth, that it
will go everywhere at some point. All that's missing here is Daniel Pearl.

Great work!
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:08 AM
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6. Perhaps Gen. Hayden could clear this up?
Perhaps Gen. Hayden could clear this up?

Iran has been successful in supporting and extending its Shiite influence in Iraq and, most recently, in Lebanon. Now, the "Land of the Aryans" as the name Iran means has embarked on spreading its brand of Islamic radicalism into another region that threatens all of Europe: The Balkans. In the mid-1990s, Iran quietly began supporting the mujahadeen along side Osama bin Laden and Hezbollah in Bosnia. They succeeded in providing needed arms, financial support and other logistics to the Muslim militants fighting against the Serbs.

Iran and bin Laden then provided support to the Kosovo Liberation Army, which the Clinton administration also supported. Today, Iran has successfully established a strong foothold in the Serbian-controlled region of Kosovo, a Muslim enclave. There even is talk that Kosovo could become independent, a development which is meeting strong Serb resistance...

...The spread of Iranian influence into the Balkans throughout the last decade in fact has received extensive U.S. assistance. This assistance was in the form of intelligence and logistical support which also went to Iranian and al-Qaida-backed militants...

...U.S. support for the Muslims in Bosnia also came from the person who is the new head of the Central Intelligence Agency, General Michael V. Hayden. At the time, he was director of the U.S. European Command Intelligence Directorate, based in Stuttgart, Germany. According to a Dutch government report, Hayden "had access to virtually all intelligence" from the United States, United Nations and NATO. As a result, Hayden used his intelligence unit to allow so-called "black flights" of arms to Muslim forces during the Bosnian campaign in 1995. General Hayden was aware that these arms were assisting many of the foreign mujahadeen, which also were receiving support from Iran and bin Laden. According to a Dutch intelligence report at the time, the shipments included "weapons, ammunition, uniforms, helmets, new anti-tank weapons and Stingers." These arms were said to have been dropped in Tuzla, shipped by land or air into Bosnia for the Bosnian Muslim army which included the al-Qaida-linked mujahadeen...


http://www.savekosovo.org/default.asp?p=4&leader=0&sp=137

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 02:40 AM
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8. Is this what's called real politic?

If it is, unbelievable. You can't be connected with one who attacked you just a few years ago.

I'd like to know a lot more about this. Excellent post.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 09:29 PM
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3. The poor ole Military Industrial Complex needs the proper
arms-length agents to continue to foment enough unrest so that they may exploit the conditions.

An excellent expose'. K & R
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:27 AM
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5. Kick for the night owls...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 09:30 PM
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4. Lucky recommend number five.
Will the GWOT rhetoric constrain their ability to do this shit?

The answer probably depends on us.

:thumbsup:


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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 10:50 PM
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7. It's all a Möbius mind fuck
From Wikipedia:

The Möbius strip or Möbius band is a surface with only one side and only one boundary component. It has the mathematical property of being non-orientable...

...a Möbius strip can be constructed by joining the ends of a strip of paper with a single half-twist. A line drawn starting from the seam down the middle will meet back at the seam but at the "other side".


You see, while there ultimately IS no "other side",

...locally an embedded surface always has two sides, so a near-sighted ant crawling on a one-sided surface would think there is an "other side". The essence of one-sidedness is that the ant can crawl from one side of the surface to the "other" without going through the surface or flipping over an edge, but simply by crawling far enough.


My goodness, the opportunities such a model might present given a little "compartmentalization". Imagine the plausible deniability. Why, it's virtually boundless. Thank heavens no one's competent or diabolical enough to come up with such a thing - it might lead to all sorts of mischief.

Where does the madness end?

Where a critical mass stop being near-sighted ants.
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