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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:11 PM Original message |
Undocumented Immigrants Prepare to Leave Arizona |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. So where did the persistent notion come from |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I like butter but no salt... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Deleted message |
GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. to be honest... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Because they were violating administrative law, not criminal law. |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
70. If you're just here illegally, it's administrative, but |
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FrancisTreptoe (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. +1 |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. Its all about the jobs. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Undocumented workers already are paying taxes |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I didnt think they would file taxes under a fraudulent ID |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Yes they file taxes |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Well, if they enter the country illegally |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It isn't a criminal offense to cross the border without papers |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. And if you were caught speeding |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Of course I would |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. What you're arguing is |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Once again. It's not a criminal offense. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Why do you keep harping on the fact |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I credited the trade policies. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. Actually you're quite wrong. |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Come down and spend a week with me in Mexico |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Thank you. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. +1. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Please don't presume what I know and don't know |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Pollyanna? Please. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Yes, Pollyanna |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. No, we should not have an open border. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I know perfectly well why |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. If I had the answers... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Those aren't hard questions, they're just the wrong questions. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. By "wrong" questions, you mean what, exactly? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I think I was pretty clear about the real choices at your disposal. n/t |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Yes, you were |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. You know what? The conditions that lead to people |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. All I hear in all of this is a rant |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You call facts on the real ground a "rant." |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Uh, that's what a rant usually is |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. yes, we forget about how poor live in Mexico. Thanks for the reminder |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. And that's not to negate how badly the poor have it here. |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
72. the fact that people can just leave |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Sign up to go foment revolution, then. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. If they're on the books, their taxes are withheld. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. It is one thing to have an automatic withholding and another to file taxes. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. So they don't file and the fed keeps their money . All of it. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The Government could easily cross reference things and they choose not to. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Because they are making money off of them |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. actually, the government is implementing a program to do that - e-verify |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:09 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Bless those angels, surely you wouldn't |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. I think with the e-verify program that 'blessing' will stop. |
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pinboy3niner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. You don't need a fake I.D. to pay the IRS |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Hmm. So these employers totally know then. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Of course they know |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 03:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Do you file W-2 forms for your employees? |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. And how do they do that? |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. All 4 of my grandparents sneaked into this country... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Same here |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Mine both came in thru Canada... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. My grandfather illegally through Canada. |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
9. AZ is in for a big surprsie |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The high costs of hiring Americans you mean? |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Yep |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. May as well just say Hispanics are preparing to leave Arizona period. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Whiter and poorer. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. I had planned to take my wife to Sedona, AZ to see the artists |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-11-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. A friend of mine who is Hispanic and 100% American was pulled over in Arizona this summer |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
51. nope, no profiling going on there |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. What kind of fit did the judge have? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. the first kind |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
42. It will be interesting to see just what sort of impact ... |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. no one to mow their yards or clean their houses |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-10 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. The business owners will be devastated.... |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
69. The American Dream is over for me too |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
71. I'll go out on a limb here and say that if there is a sizeable Latino |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-10 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
73. illegal alien panhandlers... |
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