Yes, let's all adopt the Obama plan; it's brilliant!

[gratuitous]

Wonder why you haven't heard a peep from the usual ranters (and you know who I'm talking about) about the socialist Muslim Kenyan's scheme that can't be changed, can't even be negotiated (sort of like some famous letters of transit, signed by Gen. DeGaulle himself). Cast your gaze upon this analysis:



Isn't that peachy? The wealthy made out like bandits under the Republican proposal. They make out even better under the Obama/Republican plan. Let's just empty the Treasury into the pockets of the affluent, because the rest of us are going to get an extra $25 or $100 a month! And it doesn't have to be paid for, because . . . Well, never you mind about that!

[bigwillq]

1. K and R (nt)

[Bluebear]

28. again

[Divernan]

49. Self delete

[rucky]

2. Pay Day! Lawyer's salary, please...

[ProSense]

3. That's from this

piece by Ezra Klein

[bigtree]

flesh that all out for us

[bigtree]

11. from the article

"The question, at the end of the day, is whether stopping them from getting it is worth cutting benefits for the unemployed, and tax cuts for middle-income Americans, and the Earned Income Tax Credit. I don't think it is . . ."

[bertman]

47. Since he puts it that way, I'll just comment that getting those benefits

for the unemployed, the tax cuts for middle-income Americans, and the Earned Income Tax Credit at the cost of giving up the taxes gained by letting the cuts expire is akin to getting a b.j. from a person with syphillis. It feels really good right now, but the future ain't so bright. Know what I mean?

[Divernan]

48. Excellent analogy!

And wait until next Spring when Obama has announced he will increase tax income and remove loopholes from the tax system. (He has already raised as an example of loophole, the mortgage interest exemption.)

[laughingliberal]

64. +1000 nt

[gratuitous]

4. Whoops, thanks

I meant to include the link and give credit, but I was so pleased I actually got the graph to post I plumb forgot.

[robinlynne]

5. but please do post the link and article. this is important . kind of like

Iraq did not have WMDs....

k&r

[ProudDad]

23. So you agree that Obama's cave-in is a piece of crap?

FINALLY!

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[sasha031]

6. oh my god

[sasha031]

7. thank you for posting

[TheKentuckian]

8. He's ramping the stupid cuts up. That is astounding.

I could never have called that one.

[bertman]

45. The man just defies expectations, don't he, Kentuck? What a guy.

[somone]

9. WP article is at

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/12/why_liberals_dont_like_the_tax.html

[amborin]

10. and the working poor make out worse under the Obama plan.....

[Hello_Kitty]

12. Note that the 2 lowest tax brackets are facing a tax INCREASE under this plan.

The compromise trades the Make Work Pay credit for the SS payroll cut which raises the taxes of people make less than $20K. And threatens their future Social Security.

[Ticonderoga]

51. I missed that and thanks for pointing it out. Good eye.

[Hawkowl]

13. Obama supports his base

The haves and the have mores. It is all becoming crystal clear to everyone now.

[DearAbby]

18. His constiuents are standing to lose hundreds of thousands of Dollars

:Smiley running around with hair on fire:

[aggiesal]

46. So much for that "Change" thing, huh? N/T

[defendandprotect]

14. Obama's no cheap skate ....

when it comes to the GOP and the wealthy -- !!!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. Everyone makes out better under Obama's proposal.

But you know what? Fuck it. This isn't about helping the poor, right? It's more about fucking over the rich. This deal sucks in that regard. :sarcasm:

[Lorien]

16. No, the country does not "make out better". That money ends up getting BORROWED

to fund our endless war, hand out corporate subsidies and the like, while they use the bigger deficit to cut Social Security, medicare and every other social program we have. Then we'll be paying the interest on that borrowed money fo decades to come. It will bring economic ruin to America.

[mrdmk]

29. A deficit is a un-paid tax!

:smoke:

[liberation]

40. How exactly do you "make out better" when you don't pay your bills?

Apparently, some Dems have discovered the same "money tree" that the GOP has been using to justify runaway government deficit. If you guys would be kind to point towards where that mythical tree which grows money is located, I could most definitively use a couple of leaves.

BTW, there is no such thing as a "tax cut" when a government operates under a deficit, there are "increased debt and compounded interest to make up for" however. But I guess that is not as marketable...

[Bluerthanblue]

17. no, let's all reject it- ridicule it- posture about it, and wait till the republicans

take their seats in Jan, and see the wonderful bill that we get as a result.

The wealthy will surely be made to pay their fair share then.

:shrug:

Pres. Obama pointed out that this bill would only add to the deficit. He also place the blame for that squarely on the shoulders of the Republicans who wouldn't budge on anything without their holy grail- the tax cuts for the rich. But lets not repeat THAT truth. Let's find ways to bash the President, even if we know we'll end up accepting the plan anyway.

:shrug:

What's the matter with us?

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. Yes, it's always about "Well, the GOP would do it worse, so let's just (bend over and) take what we

can get."

This pragmatism thing really hurts! *grabs donut pillow and gingerly sits down*

[Bluerthanblue]

20. it's cliche but "reality bites"-

:shrug: sorry, but it does.

[AllyCat]

35. It's only reality because we continue to allow it to be so.

[liberation]

42. One man's "reality" is another person's "intellectually lazy justification via fallacy"

[AllyCat]

34. +1

[gratuitous]

21. The Republicans are unstoppable!

There's no way the Democratic majority in the Senate could control the agenda, or place holds, or filibuster. And there's surely no conceivable system by which the President could decline to sign every bill that comes across his desk. He'd have to have some kind of super duper legislation stopping power! I don't even know what you could call it.

Besides, how in the world could the narrative be changed now that it's set? Democratic leaders would have to, what? I can't see any way they'd get an alternative aired or broadcast to the ruinous message that's being peddled now.

It's hopeless. Might as well do what the Republicans want, because they're unstoppable. I see it all so clearly now. Thanks.

[girl gone mad]

22. ftw. n/t

[ProudDad]

25. It's been done...

But not by corporate true-believers...

[NuttyFluffers]

37. they have the tri-force, the one ring to rule them all, & the infinity gauntlet!

they're UNSTOPPABLE! :nuke:

:scared:

head for the hills, give 'em anything they want, run for your lives!
:hide:

[ProudDad]

24. You seem to forget the veto pen

of course, only someone with real Principles would wield it... Alas...

[lib_wit_it]

26. Rethugs snuck in and drained the ink out and will NOT give it back!

[ProudDad]

27. Pretty true now...

:rofl:

"It's not under here. Gee, it's not over there. I knew it was around here somewhere..."

[JDPriestly]

36. What the Republicans do beginning in January is their problem.

What the Democrats do is my problem. That is because I am a Democrat.

This policy does not make sense in terms of economics. We will have a light improvement in the economy because of the stimulus of 2008, but this tax cut is going to hurt most parts of the country, most people in the country very much.

That is because the tax cut money will not be invested in creating jobs in the US. It will be invested abroad.

[leeroysphitz]

55. And that's the point. n/t

[fascisthunter]

59. puhleasssse

[progressoid]

30. Yeah! That will REALLY trickle down on us.

[awoke_in_2003]

31. don't piss down my back...

and tell me it's raining :)

[Echotrail]

32. "On an individual level, the wealthy are getting much, much more."

From Ezra Klein's article that goes with the graph. http://wapo.st/eqiNeQ

A NYT article said the funds for this are directly tacked on to the national debt, not covered by program cuts or other budget juggling. http://nyti.ms/gkQvuo

Simply astounding.

[L0oniX]

33. Obama message to the left: I'm going to cut off your head and shit down your neck!

Quote: Dr. Detroit

[liberation]

43. ... and you better like it, or then I will get real mad!

[femrap]

38. After looking at this.....

I say just let the damn tax cuts EXPIRE! Because what is proposed is much worse.

And when the teabaggers come in, let them rant about the deficits....maybe they won't be so inclined to give the rich their tax cuts.

If Obama has to call in Clinton, mr. let's get rid of Glass-Stegall, then I know there's something wrong, something fishy, something anti-regular Americans.

Tax the Rich!

[RetroLounge]

39. K&R

RL

[Goldstein1984]

44. Does anybody else feel like parasites are draining them of life?

[sam sarrha]

50. Bi-Partisan is just Kissing Rethuglican ass... but it's OK, Obama said it just tastes like Chicken.

[sam sarrha]

52. the top 1% richest holds 42% of Financial Wealth, 6 times what the bottom 80% holds at 0NLY 7%

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

[deutsey]

53. Oh, this pisses me off

Fuck you, Obama.

:mad:

[pam4water]

54. Now now in fairness to Obama he doesn't really have a plan. He just stumble fucks from 1 catastrophe

to the next.

[sendero]

56. LOL

He has a plan allright, suck the corporate tit and leave the presidency a rich man.

[snooper2]

60. deep analysis...

Thanks for your perspective on the Obama administration. I'm sure everyone reading this thread will gain a lot of insight from your posting! :hi:

[bluestate10]

57. All the more reason why WE must become capitalists.

I understand that I just used a curse word on DU, CAPITALIST (ughh, oh my god, waagggg!). But if WE want to affect positive change, more of US must take over the reigns of the money machine. Republicans get more back under the Bush plan and the Obama-GOP plan because MORE of them are wealthy business people than US. Complaining and railing on the DU won't change that dynamic.

[daleanime]

58. I'm not one to swear but....

this is absolutely fucking insane.:banghead:

[B Calm]

61. and to think we could of had a President Kuchinich. . . .

[russspeakeasy]

62. THERE IS MONEY LEFT IN THE TREASURY???

[Capn Sunshine]

63. Is this permanent?

No. The whole balloon loses a lot of hot air if you realize this.
Should the Democrats have discusse this long before now so the President didn't have to? Hell Yes.

[TheKentuckian]

65. Good look on keeping the TeaPubliKlans and the Corporate Democrats from keeping it going

This Iraq level stupid.