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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:41 AM Original message |
Obama Single-Handedly Destroyed Social Security |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. Solid facts. K&R |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I am in my 20s so it looks like Social Security REALLY won't "be there for me" |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. I'm 49 and have been working for over 30 years --and I feel the same way as you |
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Celtic Raven (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
86. And we were double dipped |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. the democrat party and American people are being undermined |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. It's the Democratic party |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
83. only republicans say "democrat party" |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
2. I don't believe it wi be there for me anyway funded for now or not. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Social Security was the only program that was working until this abomination was proposed. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. True. The only government program that was in the black -- gotta cut THAT |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. The general fund owes the trust fund trillions along with the trillion plus we are borrowing |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities doesn't have to negotiate deals |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Care to address the substance of the post? eom |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. That's my concern, and the fact that Obama |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. This has been in the works awhile - not just Obama - but there are DLC handprints |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
8. writing needs improvement. Too long... Too complex |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yeah, well I am pretty sure she wrote this pretty quick. This needs to get out ASAP. |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. agreed. we are both right. I urge someone (Altman?) with some time now |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. That has always been our biggest problem though. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You're right. This is way too complicated to explain. The simplest |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. You would have lost most of it in 2001. |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Chile did that... now trying to return to our ss plan |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
16. Unrec for unsubstantiated rumors. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Are you serious? Altman is an SS expert. How is De-Funding Social Security in this new |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. It seems you answered your own question. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. What rumor are you referring to? |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. The title of the piece is "The End of Social Security" |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Your suggestion is to use boring titles to get people aware of serious threats to a popular program? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Sure, like they were so wrong when they predicted Obama would cave on tax cuts. Rec'd for truth. nt |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. He didn't cave. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. You're quite a busy bee today. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. How nice of you to single me out. |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Sure thing...whatever you say. nt |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. He collaborated. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. He didn't get many good things. Just extension on unemployment benefits |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
24. Remember: Reagan, both Bushes and Clinton raided the Social Security Trust Fund |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. True. No matter who does it it's wrong. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. You said it |
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Foo Fighter (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
66. Oh c'mon now. Where are your priorities? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
84. nobody "raided" the trust fund. this is a widespread but false belief. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
25. SUMMARY |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. EXCELLENT! thanks |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Yes, that's exactly it. A simplified explanation but easier to understand :) |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
43. You Just Repeated |
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Celtic Raven (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
87. Wash. Rinse.Repeat. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
71. THANK YOU for that summary. n/t |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
29. Hey, look, people, be reasonable. War is expensive. |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
37. recommend |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
39. Obama's unspoken message to struggling seniors: Hurry up and die. |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
42. "liberals must support linguistic think tanks in the same way that conservatives do |
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billlll (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. progressive message CAN be put into soundbites as easily as RW ideas |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I agree w/you billll. -nt |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
44. K & R |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
45. Unwittingly my ass |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
47. oh, bullshit. A payroll tax reduction is a precursor to the end of Social Security? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Not a joke. Here's why: |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. that assumes revenue can't be obtained from other sources |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. One of the strengths of Social Security has been that it is not pulled out of the general fund. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
77. It will be on the table in 6 years anyways. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
65. One of the strengths of Social Security has been that it is not pulled out of the general fund. |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #51 |
74. ...and once it's funded from other sources,it is vulnerable to politically-motivated cuts. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
49. ... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Yup. Since the President's statement said nothing about Social Security, it is natural to ask |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
52. Please read the constitution |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 05:29 AM Response to Reply #52 |
78. you're right, it's definitely a collaboration. nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. K&R |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
56. K&R |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
57. ROFL! |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
58. K&R |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
59. Lots of numbers and speculation there... |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
61. . |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
62. They aren't 'hapless' and 'clueless.' |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
63. The damage to Social Security is even WORSE than the giveaway to the wealthy. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
67. "Apparently, the President is ready to pull the plug on you, if not on Grandma herself." |
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sasha031 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
68. Brilliant move, destroy SS when you have millions of aging baby boomer's |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
69. Unrec for misinformation. The 2% is replaced by funding form general fund. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. "Misinformation" - apparently, a projection on your part. |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Please see my comment above. n/t |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 05:42 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Explain for us how general funds get plugged into that $120 billion hole in SS, please? |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
70. Recommend |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
73. K&R |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
76. k&r |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
79. Not exactly single-handedly - it was a GOP idea, after all, which Obama now embraces. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
81. The basic problem with this concept |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
82. kr |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
85. Oh has he now? I was unaware of any legislation that wrote any changes to Social Security. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. No legislation? That doesn't matter!!!!! |
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