Go for the shitty deal and then fuck it up.

[Warren Stupidity]

Let the lame duckers pass the billionaire protection bill and a uc extension, then veto the tax bill.

Oh wait, that wouldn't be fair.

[TheWraith]

1. The president does not hold a line-item veto.

DUers need some civics classes.

[Warren Stupidity]

3. two bills

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. They'll never agree to two bills

They will include the tax language in the UI bill.

It's good to see that you've come around to the position that a UI benefit extension is necessary immediately.

As it turns out, negotiating for necessary things is hard.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Believe Me That My Unemployed Girlfriend And I Are Happy For The Extension

But we really need jobs...

[Warren Stupidity]

10. S.3981 - Unemployment Insurance Stabilization Act of 2010

introduced nov 29 by max baucus.

It is a separate bill.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. S.A.4727: The Middle Class Tax Cut Act of 2010

It already is two separate bills.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. We're talking about what it will look like after a deal

...

[Warren Stupidity]

21. There is no indication that this will be one bill.

So you are claiming correctness based on facts that do not exist and denying the facts that do exist.

[Recursion]

13. Yeah... Republicans are sure to fall for that one

:eyes:

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Actually they would.

We are so freaking pathetic that the idea of a double cross would never enter their arrogant pea-brains. Then again, they are correct in their assessment that we wouldn't dare.

[kentuck]

2. That would get Obama back in the good graces of the base...

May not work out too well for the unemployed?

[Warren Stupidity]

4. again - two separate bills

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[alcibiades_mystery]

7. Please refer to DU Rules on personal attacks

We can have reasonable conversations about ideas without descending into name-calling.

I know you're new here, but this isn't really how we do things.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. You're Quite The Idealist Which Is A Good Thing

But ad hominem has always been the preferred attack here among some which is not much different than most discussions on the "internets".

[tomp]

12. this is obama's cover for extending tax breaks for the rich.

it is exactly how the game is ALWAYS played.

no amount of parliamentary excuses can cover up the game or obama being a willing player in it. the rich get richer, the poor get bones and crumbs if they are lucky.

THIS IS THE ROLE OF THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM....ALWAYS.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. And we all fall for the 'else kitties will die' excuse.

And never ask why UC is linked to billionaire bailouts. Most people who bothered to respond indicated that I was an idiot (true enough) for suggesting that these would be in separate bills (they are), without bothering with the facts. It hasn't occurred to them that we PLAY ALONG WITH THE BULLSHIT and it is ALL A CHARADE.

[tomp]

20. 99% of these silly responses are brainwashing.

people only think they know what's going on. but they are certain of it.

it is quite a burden to actually know what is going on and to try to tell others.

the powers that be are actually extremely good at getting people to believe in the system.

[jefferson_dem]

16. So you would be cool with taxes going up on the poor and middle class...

Because the rich were also included in the cuts?

[hfojvt]

18. speaking as a quasi-poor person - I sure am

the tax increases on the poor will be minimal and the extra revenue can be used to prevent more damaging spending cuts.

[jefferson_dem]

19. I appreciate your perspective.

Thanks.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. There are so many deep inequities in the tax code as it is

that this posturing about deal making is frankly insulting. Millions of your fellow Americans are treated unjustly by the discriminatory tax code. So cute that you are worried about a tiny 'cut' when you do not give a flying patient pony about the raving inequality imposed on GLBT families, the ones that Obama says are not 'sanctified by God' like your kind is. When we speak of those injustices, you all huff and puff and shout about tradition, about invisible beings, and how awful it would be if my partner and I could file jointly, how the angels would weep about it, and Ricky Warren would issue a fatwah.
It is disingenuous. If justice for those who need it was ever the point, none of you would have urged GLBT Americans to bide our time and remain silent.
I'd love to hear what you think the word 'sanctified' means in a secular political context. Lord knows you will not reply, but I'd love to know if you think words such as 'sanctified' have a place in political discourse, do you really, really think some groups of people are better than others, flat out?
I do love the affected 'caring' about others. Too many months of posting now to sell that soap.