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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:21 PM Original message |
Poll question: Will the USA ever have another economic system, other than capitalism? |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Feudalism? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Neo-feudalism. That is a terrifying possibility. |
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andlor (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. +1 |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Yes, a new, kinder and gentler form of feudalism.... it's already begun. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
75. Poor working to support the wealthy? Check. Poor as war fodder? Check. |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. Only when we succeed in establishing true democracy |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The two have been ill paired, I agree. nt |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Do we want democracy? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
5. False assumption: We do not have capitalism now. Just in the same way the Chinese do not have... |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. So what is this ideal capitalism that lurks throughout your argument? nt |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. The unbalancing factor is corporate person-hood. Corporations become "super-citizens" and... |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Sounds utterly and historically capitalist. nt |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Not at all - corporatist is NOT capitalist. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Since the 18th century modern capitalism has evolved around the corporation, |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Perhaps revolution will transition the U.S. from |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. What? You don't like socialism for the rich and cold-hearted capitalism for the rest of us? |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. It's disaster capitalism for the rest of us. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Blind to the suffering around them |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. There's nothing stopping us from doing this now. |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. No, there isn't. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Predatory Capitalist Corporate State... +1 for that |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. It hasn't been truly capitalist for a long time. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. Actually, most of the best stuff in the US is thanks to socialist thinking. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
76. So true. Rich Capitalists are hooked up to a Socialism drip. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Since when is an economic system in which the profits go almost |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Ok then. Lap it up since you love it so much. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. If you think the "rich" owe their wealth to "socialism" and not capitalism, |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. That would be true if |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. Mix: Yes of course you are right, but that's not what I meant. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Couldn't agree with your post more |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
83. This is the fact hat the defenders of exploitation always overlook. |
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murray hill farm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
14. Won't change...also will not survive! |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. . |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
16. Er, Eh, we already do. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. It's funny this tendency on the left and right |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Here's your 'socialism'. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. When was there a time when capitalists did not rob the state's coffers? nt |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
78. OMG -- thank you for posting this |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. Whatever... I'm not interesting in the technicalities of the language |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. I used to call it Casino Capitalism America |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
17. It does now. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Then read more Marx. nt |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Are you some sort of Commie? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Who better understood capitalism? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I haven't read much Marx, he rants too much. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. That is a great book. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I was impressed with it, still am, as I said. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. His analysis of capitalism was pretty astute |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Exactly. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. It's always the "But...", isn't it? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Freud is a god. nt |
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Pyrzqxgl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. Do you guys even know what Democracy is? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Plausible, this has been a pattern for two centuries of US history. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. And when it comes, it comes in the form of an English Civil War, |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
24. Two ways we could go, our current conditions are only temporary |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
26. What we have today isn't even Capitalism, it's an |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. And neoliberal capitalism is the economic system propping up that oligarchy. nt |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. I hope not, because Capitalism is the only economic system |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. How might one prove this hypothesis? nt |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. It's not a hypothesis, it is a fact of reality. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. That is a dictionary entry assertion. Nothing empirical or scientific about that. |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. This is not rocket science. Individuals or either free to pursue their dreams or they are not. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Besides your weak defense of capitalism, |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. There is no "fixation" on socialism/communism; rather, if we are comparing capitalism |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. What rights to property do you actually have? |
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Creative (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. If you don't pay for your house or your car, you do not own them. |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. What rights to property do you actually have? |
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strawberryfield (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
36. I love capitalism, but I hate corporatism |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Jefferson's vision rested upon the extermination of as many Native Americans as possible. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Is that what the Lewis & Clark Expedition was about? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Not specifically, that was more of an exploratory mission |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
39. No. Capitalism is the part of this society with the most horsepower behind it. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. interesting point, your last line nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
46. The American Revolution was a capitalistic response to mercantilism |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I agree with your read of its connection to American political identity, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Guarantee? No |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
49. monolithism? |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #49 |
74. What did that mean? |
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Iterate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
51. I find the notion that we have one single type of economy increasingly tiresome. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
82. Is it a "notion" or empirical fact that most people do not operate within |
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Iterate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. No, quite the opposite. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. The economic, cultural, social and political reality for American citizens |
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Iterate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I do recognize that, don't like it, but recognize it, |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
59. It will be a Militaristic Kleptocracy with tinges of Corporate Socialism |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
63. We need a president that can take over hostile news organizations. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Yeah, the First Amendment is for suckers! |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
64. 1. = yes - 2. = bartering goods and services in exchange for other. |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-10 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
70. Feudalism |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
81. barter |
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KeyserSoze87 (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
86. The teatards want neo-feudalism. |
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mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-05-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. The protection of the manor. nt |
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