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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:05 PM
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Ron Paul on ‘ OPT-OUT-DAY ’: ‘If We Tolerate ’ The TSA, ‘There’s Something WRONG With US’


" Popular Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul has a message for the American people: If you tolerate the new, invasive Transportation Security Administration procedures, then maybe you deserve it.


"This is such an affront, so much out in the open," he said during a Tuesday radio interview. "Government being so bold as to maul us in public and say they're doing it for our interests. If we tolerate this, there's something wrong with us. It's probably not fair to say this because so many people don't deserve it but -- we deserve some of this stuff if we don't do something about it."


Paul was speaking with Austin, Texas talk show host Alex Jones, a fellow libertarian whose programming tends to focus on police issues, the drivers of globalization and conspiracy theories.


"The American people have to do something," Paul said. "They'll eventually have to boycott the airlines or whatever. Or throw the bums out: maybe Congress will get off their duffs in January and insist that we reign in the TSA."


However, that would seem a bit unlikely, especially with former Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff, a hero to many in the GOP, running about playing chief advocate for the government's adoption of backscatter x-ray machines. As head of the Chertoff Group, the former Bush official effectively leads lobbying efforts on behalf of body scanner manufacturer Rapiscan and a consortium of smaller firms.


It was only after he told telling members of the press that x-ray scanners would likely have caught the so-called underwear bomber, captured last Christmas in a failed attack, that his profit motive in such a statement was revealed.


The government began purchasing Rapiscan x-ray machines in 2005, under a Republican Congress and Republican presidency, at Chertoff's orders. Their application has only accelerated under the Obama administration, at the behest of Homeland Security Director Janet Napolitano.


The government currently has about 400 body scanners in operation at 70 different airports, with plans to spread the technology to courthouses.


"Chertoff launched his firm just days after President Barack Obama took office, eventually recruiting at least 11 top officials from the Department of Homeland Security, as well as former CIA director General Michael Hayden and other top military brass and security officials," noted reporter Marcus Baram, writing for Huffington Post.


Speaking to Jones, Paul cautioned that even if airports begin contracting with private companies to provide security -- as one central Florida airport already has -- they're only hiring "their favorite corporations," which ultimately do the same things as the government.



Paul appeared to confirm that he goes through them like everyone else.


"I have to go through that all the time because I have metal in my knees. I don't go through and, well, basically the x-ray is not available and I hate the idea of doing that and so ... I get prodded all the time and it's disgusting and I tell 'em so. I say, 'This is disgusting. How can you do it? Why am I putting up with any of this?' It's so disgusting that I just don't understand, and that's why I'm determined to wake up the people about what's happening."


cpnt'


<http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/ron-paul-tsa-if-tolerate-wrong-us/>
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:08 PM
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1. Wonder if Ron Paul would see this as a problem if Bush
was still President? There wouldn't be a peep from any of them, imo.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:37 PM
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11. Actually Paul is consistent on this
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:39 PM
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12. Yes, he would and did. He has been consistent on the wars,
torture, and issues that affect our Constitutional Rights. The ONLY Republican who was.

He is absolutely right about this.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:52 PM
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16. He was slamming the PATRIOT Act
while Democrats were voting for it.

90% of the time you'd be right to charge hypocrisy, but not with Ron Paul, he's been on this same tune for 30 years plus already.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:18 PM
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21. he would and he did.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:08 PM
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2. I can't stand the Pauls but I agree with this.
Don't let the government take away any more rights than they already have.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:14 PM
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5. I don't care for them either but on this point, I do agree with his position. These actions can
only deteriorate our liberties even further under the guise of security.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:12 PM
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3. He's exactly right
Although I'd strongly disagree with him about things like Social Security, Medicare, government intervention in free markets, etc., on civil liberties issues this guy is right on.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:39 PM
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13. Really?
Isn't Rand Paul the one who said restaurants should be able to refuse to serve anybody they want?

Doesn't seem to have much going for civil liberties if you ask me.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:08 PM
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18. This is RON Paul not Rand
Rand is indeed the Paul who made the statement about refusing to serve whoever. He is an asshole.

Ron Paul may indeed harbor those same opinions but if he did he hasn't made them public.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:17 PM
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19. Thank you for correcting me on that.
Somehow they all sound alike after awhile. ;-)
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:23 PM
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24. Libertarians will be Libertarians
Edited on Wed Nov-24-10 04:24 PM by Ter
They think the private sector can do anything they want.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:13 PM
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4. and... he's right
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:16 PM
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6. Wait...wait
He's on the other team, so using conventional logic we should agree with strip searches then (or so say some of our DU posters).

Heading to the airport to be molested now...be back later

:sarcasm:
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:20 PM
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7. He is right about this
if we put up with it there is something wrong with us.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:21 PM
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8. Ron Paul. Beck. Krauthammer. FOX News. Huckabee.
I don't like who I'm supposed to be agreeing with.

*sniff*

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:31 PM
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9. "...supposed to be..." or are agreeing with? nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:34 PM
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10. Supposed to be.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:17 PM
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32. So you're okay with the scanners and pat-downs?
I despise of the conservatives in your list as well, but if we can get both liberals and conservatives to agree about anything in this crazy, bi-polar country of ours, I say we can't afford to not work with them. Politics and strange bedfellows, as they say.

The key is media spin. In this case, we on the left are up in arms about violations to the 4th Amendment, but Beck & Co. will spin this as socialist-marxist-Muslim over-lording by Obama. That will be the predominant meme reported in the CM. That's what's so repugnant in aligning ourselves with extremist conservatives. :puke:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:41 PM
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14. It is a shame that those we worked so hard to elect
were in the end, the ones who got those scanners into our lives. After fighting so hard for so many years to keep them out while Bush was president, it is enough to make people totally cynical about politics in general. This is not what I worked for.

Paul if right, but he has always opposed these abuses in the name of security. There was a time when Democrats agreed with him.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:44 PM
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15. They just want you to agree that scanners are better than pat downs
It's a WIN for private contractors selling shit to taxpayers!

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:03 PM
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38. no, ron paul is a doctor
and in the law forbidding the new practices that he proposed he cited unnecessary exposure to radiation.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:19 PM
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22. lol..
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:02 PM
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37. this just shows that people on the left and the right
are getting sick of being treated like crooks while the real crooks rob us blind. ron paul is heavily anti corporate welfare.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 03:57 PM
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17. A broken clock
is right twice a day.

I'll bet LaRouche is against the TSA outrages, too. Prolly Buchanan also.

I also note R Paul's expressions of disgust at uninvited touch. For someone who supports the rights of rapists to assault females and pass on their criminal gene pool, and all the uninvited and unwanted touch that inherently is inflicted on the victim over a nine month period, I'm rather surprised and amused at his outrage over less than 3 minutes of a patdown.
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:27 PM
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26. And OUR clock is the one doing this. Who's the broken clock on this issue, after all? n/t
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:47 PM
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35. Assuming you are referring to the Preident,
who ISN'T a rape apologist ironically going apoplectic over a three minute feel, I think I don't need to be told who the broken clocks are.

I'm a progressive pragmatist. I would like to have my ideals perfectly represented by the Dems, but I don't have any illusions that going Galt is any kind of a solution. I'm here for the long haul, and I find libertarian poutrage such as R Paul's to be more than a little bit disingenuous. R Paul does not give a rat's ass about MY right to privacy and it chaps my ass to see him being defended on DU.

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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:07 PM
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41. as it chaps my ass to see former reefer smoking democrats
not want me to be within the law, whereas ron paul wants to legalize

i agree he is horribe on abortion rights
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:05 PM
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39. i thought he was not against abortion in cases of rape
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:18 PM
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20. He is right. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:20 PM
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23. He is right. nt
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AmandaMae Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:24 PM
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25. Agree with him on this. Disagree on many counts, but he's right about some things.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:35 PM
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27. Ron Paul is self-delusional on many topics
but he's right on this one - and Iraq and Afghanistan...

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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:41 PM
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28. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is one of those times. (nt)
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:41 PM
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29. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is one of those times. (nt)
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:56 PM
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30. agreed
knr
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 04:58 PM
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31. If you tolerate the new, invasive Transportation Security Administration procedures, then maybe you
If you tolerate the new, invasive Transportation Security Administration procedures, then maybe you deserve it.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:21 PM
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33. Hear, hear!
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:34 PM
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34. this is a liberty issue not a privitization plot by paul
"Speaking to Jones, Paul cautioned that even if airports begin contracting with private companies to provide security -- as one central Florida airport already has -- they're only hiring "their favorite corporations," which ultimately do the same things as the government."


right fucking on man! he voted against the patriot acts part one and two, against afghanistan, against iraq..........
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 05:53 PM
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36. Exactly right, for those on this board who think it's no big deal. If you tolerate this then you
deserve it.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 06:07 PM
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40. He's right nt
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:32 PM
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42. ssaaaayyy, don't the libertarians always yell that they have their guns in case the government
does something...exactly...like...this...?
of course, the underlying fear is really one of swarthy foreigners; they want to use their guns against Mexican invaders or Ayrab terra'ists or the Russkies when they seize Washington; if people are being stripped in the name of security from Mooslimes, they're a-okay
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 08:38 PM
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43. if you're agreeing with Rand Paul -
then maybe you should rethink your position . . .

I'm just sayin' . . . :shrug:
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-10 09:51 PM
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44. Nobody here is agreeing with " Rand Paul ". The article was quoting RON PAUL, not Rand Paul.
Maybe you should rethink YOUR position...

I'm also just sayin'....:beer:
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:03 PM
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45. RAND - RON. same diff...
both whackjob crazy. the advice still stands.
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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 02:34 PM
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47. It would seem ( as you say ) that these so called" whack job crazies " are the only
ones I keep hearing from who are speaking out against such ( possibly illegal ) TSA violations. Like I said, I don't agree with the majority of either Rand or Paul's platform positions. But on this case, Ron Paul makes a very valid point that we should give long & serious consideration before writing off such words as " whack job crazy ". Why aren't OUR elected Democratic reps publicly taking the lead on this TSA/X-Ray/Groping issue? Are they in favor of these TSA methods?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 01:09 PM
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46. Hate it but have to agree with him on this.
This is not a left or right thing...this is a PEOPLE thing!!!
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