First they came for your cell phone conversations, your shoes, then patted you down to keep YOU safe...

[DainBramaged]

What are you willing to give up next? They taze you without provocation in the name of 'control'. If you film them you will be arrested for 'interfering'.


They are going to keep asking for more of your freedoms until you have no more to give.


We are entering a police state like I never thought would be possible in my lifetime or ever in this country.


Do not go quietly into the night.

[BlueJac]

1. Can I see your papers?

Your papers are not in order!

You are so right, WTF is next?

[TBF]

2. WTF is next? Whatever they can make money off of. nt

[DainBramaged]

10. We also unwittingly let Google and Facebook chip away at our privacy in the name of 'friends'

and most people don't even realize what happened.

[yodermon]

20. "papers" will be keyed to your DNA or retinal scan

and instantaneously accessed.
Minority Report here we come

[lunatica]

3. boy! Do I agree with you!

A few days after 9/11 I was talking to a fellow worker and I was telling her of my worry that our government would overreact and start taking away our rights and she basically told me to move to another country if I was so unhappy in this one. We got into a mild argument because I refused to get angry. I told her I love this country, but that I wasn't willing to give up it's very foundation. Her answer was to categorically state that she would give up any rights she has in order to be safe.

A few years later I overheard her say she wished someone would assassinate Bush to get him off our backs while claiming that no one could have seen how much he undermined the US. I reminded her of our conversation. She admitted I had been right but that I was the exception.

[DemReadingDU]

6. According to my sister, 9/11 changed everything

She is so willing to give up all her freedoms and civil liberties to even be sexually assaulted by TSA agents, for 'security'.

To me, it would be money better spent to search all cargo for the bombs. Currently only 20% of cargo is even inspected.

"It is a gaping hole in the nation’s anti-terrorism security system, experts say. About 22 percent of all U.S. packages shipped via air cargo are finding their way into the bellies of passenger jets, according to the General Accounting Office. Yet, there is little or no screening of such parcels.
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/blog/broadway_17th/2010/11/air-travel-today-doesnt-scan-for.html

11/2/10 Only 20% of cargo to U.S. checked for bombs
Billions of pounds of packages bound for the U.S. each year are delivered on passenger flights in which cargo is checked with an electronic system that does not screen for bombs, lawmakers and security experts said Monday.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-11-02-1Acargobombs02_ST_N.htm
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/only-20-percent-us-bound-cargo-screened-bombs

11/2/10 In Air Cargo Business, It’s Speed vs. Screening, Creating a Weak Link in Security
It is an essential lubricant of the global economy — the multibillion-dollar air cargo industry, which every day carries millions of express packages of every shape and size around the world, parcels that can include things as diverse as an electronic component and a human body part. But the discovery last week that terrorists had used United Parcel Service and FedEx to ship two explosive devices has set off a debate over what can be done to improve cargo security without damaging a business built on getting packages anywhere, quickly and cheaply.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/02/business/02cargo.html

[lunatica]

4. Dupe

[Pacifist Patriot]

5. I spotted an article today...

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9000/27377000/TSA_chief_Resisting_scanners_just_means_delays

...that reeks of being written and published simply for the purpose of controlling the populace.

Why anyone thinks they are demonstrably safer flying today than they were one, three, five or seven years ago simply because we're being x-rayed and groped is beyond me. Oh right, all those planes that came down because of the 90 year old nuns and six year old boys smuggling plastique in their bras and undies.

Just because something can happen doesn't mean it is likely to. I can get car jacked on my way to Georgia tomorrow, but I'm not cowering in my closet simply because it's a possibility.

This is manufactured hysteria to control people while enriching others.

[DemReadingDU]

7. A Full Body Scan of American Corruption

A Full Body Scan of American Corruption by Gonzalo Lira

In the United States, if a policeman stops you for a traffic violation, and you offer him a $20 bill to forget about the whole thing, you’ll likely end up in jail.

But if you leave your Federal government job and go work as a consultant to the very industry you used to regulate, you won’t go to jail—you’ll grow rich. Very rich.


This is an excellent article. It discusses Michael Chertoff enriching himself with the new body scanners, and the health risks associated with those scanners.

Very informative, and an eye opener.
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/11/full-body-scan-of-american-corruption.html


edit to include this direct link to a German video which is included in above link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBfHMCiatK0&feature=player_embedded

[kctim]

8. What took you so long?

Millions have been saying this since before Columbine.

[DainBramaged]

9. Meh...........

[kctim]

11. Yeah

Pretty much the same response as then.

Picking and choosing like that makes it kind of pointless to ask "What are you willing to give up next?"

[DainBramaged]

12. You are an expert Monday morning quarterback, keep it up

:eyes:


Sorry you think only your threads have meaning.......

[kctim]

15. I never implied anything like that

Just saying that it is hard to be taken seriously when we pick and choose which 'rights and freedoms' we are or are not willing to "give up next." Doing so has divided 'we the people' and has directly led to where we are at now as a nation.

[DainBramaged]

16. You don't understand any of this do you?

Supporting the right of the government to take away basic freedoms guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure., only makes it easier the next time they want to compromise another amendment or the entire Constitution itself. Claiming this is WHY we are here and simply throwing up your hands instead of saying 'enough' makes you complicit.


Have a nice day.

[kctim]

17. Sorry, but it is you who does not understand

or maybe who does not WANT to understand.

Most of the people all up in arms over this are the very same ones who encourage the right of the government to take away basic freedoms guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.
The 'next' time they want to compromise another amendment is NOW and that is why it is easier this time.

Saying 'enough' only when they infringe on rights we care about lessens our effectiveness and THAT is why we are at this point today.

Divided we will continue to fall.

[The Straight Story]

18. Some did not care when the govt told you who you could have a smoke with

Even if you own the business, people are not forced to go to it, and chose to go there to smoke.

Always has been about PRINCIPLE to me (I smoke at home), but people kept yelling that I only cared about smoking.

Nope. Either you stand up for everyone's rights (as I do for gays to be able to marry and serve, and no one thinks I am gay when I do) or you pick and choose because secretly you don't give a damn about rights but about a subset that you yourself engage in (and want to control others while decrying when people control you).

[DainBramaged]

19. AH, guns yet again take precedence over everything else

folks like yourself, make me sick. NO ONE is taking your fucking guns away.


Now I understand, the preception that a Black man may steal your precious guns has you up in arms LOL.

[Fumesucker]

13. It was glaringly obvious when the USA became the nation with the world's highest incarceration rate.

That we were rapidly becoming a police state..

First they came for the dopers..

But I was not a doper so I said nothing.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

An excerpt from
They Thought They Were Free
The Germans, 1933-45
Milton Mayer


But Then It Was Too Late
"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

[Javaman]

14. Their tactics keep people at home.

easier to control us that way.