Why Willow Palin drinking and smoking weed matters

[jmowreader]

It is very simple: Willow Palin had the genetic misfortune of being born to a woman who believes herself to be America's Moral Arbiter.

If Sarah Palin wasn't running around telling the world liberals are degenerate and corrupt people who can't raise their kids right, it wouldn't matter at all. That Half-Term Governor Palin insists her way is the only way is the problem.

[reggie the dog]

1. marijuana is legal for adults in alaska

you can grow, have, and smoke your own weed legally according to state law in alaska,

sarah palin herself smoked or still smokes and has admitted to it, but it is not illegal according to alaska state law. it goes back to the alaska supreme court Ravin decision

[dmr]

3. Isn't Willow only 16?

I didn't know about the Alaskan law on weed. Good for Alaska!

:hi:

[AlabamaLibrul]

7. You can also maybe kinda sorta almost grow 25 plants there.

It's one of these issues that bounces back and forth between ballot prop and court decision in Alaska.

Right to privacy, Ravin v Alaska.

[Darth_Kitten]

14. Yeah, weed has to explain Sarah Palin.

:eyes:

[mopinko]

16. got a native alaskan neighbor

who assures me that most of the population of alaska smokes, and that half of them live there for that reason. hope that is not a broad brush smear.

[reggie the dog]

38. were it not for spain having so much nicer weather

i would be tempted to move to alaska, but with us and eu citizenship i can move to spain just as easily spain and alaska have basically the same law

[asdjrocky]

55. But in Spain you have Jorge.

Got to meet him and speak to him briefly at the Spring Cup at Oaksterdam last 420.

[Blue_In_AK]

49. People live here for many reasons,

and I'm not sure that half of them are here because of the weed -- but it doesn't hurt that it's so plentiful and unpunished here. :) It's a result of our very progressive constitution which has probably THE strongest privacy clause of any state's in the union. The matter was decided in 1975, Ravin v. State, 537 P.2d 494 (Alaska 1975). http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/ravin2.html

[SpiralHawk]

11. Sarah Pale Horse (R) is a stoner?

Why am I unsurprised...

Hypocrisy is a core tenet of the so-called Republicon Family Values

[ladywnch]

29. are you sure about this?

I lived in AK from 87-93 and during that time it had been legal for people to have up to 4oz legally. but also during that time the Fed came in and said the State had to repeal that or they would lose all federal funding.....and the State complied. Did something change after 93?

[Blue_In_AK]

53. I don't think it's ever been fully resolved,

but they very seldom prosecute anyone here for weed unless they've got a commercial grow operation. Possession of between 1-4 ounces is a Class B misdemeanor.

Here's some more info: http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/marijuana-laws-and-penalties/alaska.htm

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/301/alaska.shtml

[reggie the dog]

63. plus you can have 25 plants

it is unclear, you can grow 25 plants but are not supposed to have over an ounce.....but if you can have 25 plants and are not selling they will have no reason to search your house for having 10 nice plants in the yard

[Blue_In_AK]

64. Very true.

There's a lot of personal growing going on up here in closets and basements. Summer isn't really a good time to grow it outside because it won't bud until fall when there isn't so much light, and then it gets too cold, but indoors? It doesn't take much. Shop lights and grow lamps do just fine -- or so I've been told. :smoke:

[reggie the dog]

66. i heard that there were some great native alaska strains

that you were able to harvest outdoors like kooteny mountain thunderfuck.... but yeah a basement with a beach scene painted on the wall and a chaise longue so i could sit under the grow lights would help me get through the winters

[ladywnch]

67. thanks, Blue. I always know I can count on you! :-) n/t

[NuclearDem]

2. And if you're pissed about it, direct your anger at Sarah

Leave Willow out of it.

She's just a fucking kid.

[reggie the dog]

9. i would need to drink and smoke weed if sarah were my mother

[HipChick]

12. Sarah Paycheck constantly pimps them out into the media for her own ends, she has made them targets

[NuclearDem]

25. Doesn't mean we have to take the bait though

Or dignify that low-down behavior of hers with a response.

[K8-EEE]

77. She's a stuck up brat

Sorry after seeing that fb convo I'm not really in the Leave Bristol Alone club, I have daughters that age (of Bristol and Willow) and would never let either of them hang out with such a mean, snotty kid!! "your a faggot! your jealous of my families success" oh and might I add: ILLITERATE.

[Journeyman]

4. When I was her age, I guzzled booze often & my family was nothing like hers. . .

Teenagers need to be educated not made examples of or hounded for their indiscretions or the sins of their parents.

[NuclearDem]

5. +1000

[jancantor]

8. Did her parents provide the alcohol?

In every state I've lived in it is legal for a 16 yr old to drink alcohol in the home if provided by a parent. Is this something from Palin's new "nature" show? I hadn't heard about it. Otoh, I could not care less what Willow Palin or most other 16 yr olds do.

[Bucky]

15. Thank you

This is why kids are off limits for criticism.

[LynneSin]

42. Were your parents on Faux News trying to tell other parents how to raise their kids?

if not I don't give a rats ass what you did as a kid.

[Journeyman]

45. Well, the quality of your comment fails to rise to expectations. . .

The issue isn't what I did as a child, it's what we do as adults.

[JuniperLea]

58. The snark of your answer is only surpassed by the ridiculousness of your message...

Please read LynneSin's post again, and tell me where it is that she pointed to what you did as a child as the main message here... and not what your parents were doing as adults, which clearly IS the main message.

He question is valid, and deserves a real answer. If you can't answer, it only points to the above-referenced ridiculousness, IMHO.

[RZM]

50. Exactly n/t

[JuniperLea]

59. Parents need to STFU about other people's kids...

When their own are out of control.

Just because you survived your teenage stupidity is no sign that guzzling booze at 16 is a good thing or should be overlooked.

[Journeyman]

60. Hence the balance of my comment, that teens need guidance not censure. . .

The issue is not what her parents say and do -- that can and should be debated irrespective of the child's behavior. The issue here is what we, as adults, say and do as indicative of our own behavior.

[JuniperLea]

73. So, parents no longer have a say in the lives of their minor children? eom

[Liquorice]

6. It only really matters if you're interested in gossip about teenagers. Otherwise, not so much. nt

[LynneSin]

40. Most teenager drunks don't have mothers spouting about family values on Faux News

Personally I don't care how many 16 year old kids are guzzling vodka and smoking pot. What I do care is Sarah Palin is out there claiming how wholesome americana her family is when in fact the 3 oldest are pretty much juvenile deliquents.

Now this woman wants to be the president of my country? Perhaps she needs to learn to keep her kids in line first before running for President. She seems like the time of mother that would let her children wallow in misery and obviously with a father who has no intention of doing any parenting. This kids are screaming out for help and she can't be bothered with him.

You want me to ignore the actions of Willow Palin, then tell Sarah Palin to get the heck out of my newspapers and off the TV and go raise her kids. And while you're there go kick your husband's ass cause clearly he's done shit in raising those kids.

[Liquorice]

71. I didn't say I wanted you to ignore Willow Palin or her actions. If you're interested in what

she does, by all means, try to find out everything she is doing! I just don't care. She's a private citizen and a teenager as well. It generally doesn't concern me what someone's kid is doing. I didn't care what the Bush twins did either, so maybe I'm just weird like that.

[reggie the dog]

10. sounds like the kind of girl i would have tried to date in high school

[WinkyDink]

13. Federal law trumps state. IF the Feds wanted to arrest for mj, they have the legal authority.

[meow mix]

17. voters vote on state laws. saying that voters have no authority is dangerous

its a short track back to having kings... if were not allowed to vote on our own laws.

[WinkyDink]

68. I didn't invent this hierarchy. You HAVE heard of the Supreme Court?

[Romulox]

35. Based on the Interstate Commerce Clause, right?

:eyes:

[WinkyDink]

72. Based on LAW and the hierarchy thereof.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_state_law_supersede_federal_law

http://www.paconserve.org/213/state-and-federal-laws

http://articles.cnn.com/2005-06-06/justice/scotus.medical.marijuana_1_medical-marijuana-angel-raich-diane-monson?_s=PM:LAW

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/TQTC3I4OJ5RHBN348

There may be exceptions, but probably with the Feds' blessing or indifference.

[Romulox]

102. Your first WIKI answers link is wrong.

Federal Law supersedes state law only in some areas, but not all. The law of real property, for example, is prototypically local (i.e. under state control.) Which wasn't my point. My point was that the Feds claim the power to enter one's home and seize one's things based on entirely local, non-economic activity. And they claim that the Interstate Commerce Clause is the source of that power. If that position doesn't appear on its face to you to be a bit...incongruous...with the natural and expected meaning of words to you, then I'm not sure we can discuss this any further. :shrug:

[superduperfarleft]

18. Oh, bullshit.

She's a teenager. She's acting like a teenager. There's plenty of reasons to despise Sarah herself without making up BS gossipy crap like this.

When I was her age, I was drinking and smoking and snorting everything in site. And yet my parents were great people who did their best and I'd hate to have my behavior reflect poorly on them.

This is as stupid and petty as the people who called the Bush twin's "drunks" or "sluts" because they (horrors!) drank and partied (you know, like most kids their age).

[mstinamotorcity]

19. We all know Ms Palin

for her so-called Patriotic Conservatism http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Sarah+Palin+speech+alaska+secession&aq=f Now why would anybody listen to someone who doesn't really want to be part of America. Her children are just like their Mother. Raised without a clue. But have the money making ambition of being the ultra conservative lie for the dollar. Leave her children alone. Then tell them to leave other people alone. Her daughter is no different from anyone else's child. If she comes off trying to something that she is not, then they must suffer the consequences of their actions. So I see little lying Sarahs.

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. It matters to YOU. nt

[Orsino]

21. Mama grizzlies don't police that stuff, either.

Why should Sarah Palin? Morals are for little people.

[superduperfarleft]

22. What exactly did Willow do that was "immoral?"

Underage drinking? Smoking weed?

[Orsino]

24. Ask Sarah Palin.

She's the arbiter of morality, not me.

[superduperfarleft]

52. You're the one who said it.

:shrugs:

[Orsino]

99. Nope. Palin parrots the usual right-wing morality.

I did not invent her stances. Hell, neither did she.

[Iggo]

23. 'Cause she's preggers?

:evilgrin:

[tuckessee]

26. Is Palin an anti-drug fanatic like Obama & Biden.?

Please post some links to her drug warrior quotes.

[Romulox]

27. You'd think we didn't have a President who's admitted drug use, and a VP who sponsored the RAVE act.

The Drug War is just another area where we have no room to talk.

[Iggo]

28. Please post some links to Pres & VP's fanaticism. (n/t)

[tuckessee]

30. See Eric Holder and his vicious continuation of the Federal Drug War.

Note that the Feds (who work for Obama) are still raiding medical cannabis operations in California.

No links needed. Just look at the world you live in and do not deny the obvious.

[Iggo]

32. Don't have any, huh?

Thanks for playing.

[tuckessee]

34. Some people are fanatical in rhetoric - others in deed.

The Democratic leaders are fanatics in deed. Just look at the results. Or do you deny that the Federal law-enforcement agencies are still filling the jails with drug offenders?

[Iggo]

36. You made the claim. You provide the back-up. (n/t)

[tuckessee]

37. It is proven.

You just fail to accept the truth.

[Romulox]

33. Joe Biden is a long time Drug Warrior. If this is news to you, you don't pay attention.

Do your own research. :eyes:

[LynneSin]

41. Joe Biden also raised 3 kids who caused very little problem as kids

and all 3 have grown-up to be amazing adults who have done well for themselves. I doubt Biden's 3 kids were saints, but they always had a parent there to nurture them and help raise them into some amazing kids. Joe was lucky he could take the train home from DC every night but his wife Jill was there to help raise them too.

[Romulox]

61. What a bizarre response to an indefensible position; the War on Drugs is an abject failure.

:hi:

[superduperfarleft]

46. Had you never heard of Biden before 2008?

Google RAVE Act. Jesus, this isn't hard...

[ecstatic]

48. bashing Obama/Biden to stick up for Palin?

Very telling.

[superduperfarleft]

51. Telling of what? Please elaborate. n/t

[tuckessee]

81. Are you the DU Cheka/NKVD?

Am I guilty of thought crimes? Treason? Cowardice?

[cleanhippie]

31. It matters for Sarah, but not for anyone else.

Willow is her own person. She is acting quite normally for a 15-16 year old, IMO. I know thats how I acted, so...


It really only matter for her mother, for the reasons you stated.

[Johonny]

39. unfortunately for her

her mom and dad have decided that her whole family as one big TV show. If she likes it or not she now is a public person whose actions will be look at and talked about by the public. Now she might not want that, but that's the way it is. I almost certainly is her mom's fault and her sisters fault. both whom have gone out of their way to be public people and to drag the rest of the family in as public people. The thing is to me, they aren't interesting people at all. Not smart, funny, well gifted entertainers etc... Willow seems to be an ordinary person her age. But shes now a Palin(TM) and those must be talked about, shown on TV and examined as if we are suppose to care.

[yurbud]

43. it won't affect Palin at all. Conservatives are sympathetic to their family and those they idolize

on these matters just like those of us on the left. The difference is, the left wants to treat all druggies like family, and the right wants to use it as another stick to beat those they disagree with.

Witness Rush Limbaugh saying David Crosby didn't deserve a liver transplant because of all the boozing and drugs he did, but righties didn't hesitate for a minute to forgive him for using so much hillybilly heroin that he made himself deaf.

Sort of like their tough on crime (of poor blacks and Latinos not Wall Street) stance.

[LynneSin]

44. I have to ask this simple question - Where the heck is Todd?

Obviously Sarah is the breadwinner. I have no problems with that, my best friend was the breadwinner in the family too. But her husband was there to help raise the kids and instill a sense of value into them. I realize he wants to work too but you'd think he would be at home from time to time watching over those kids.

You know, not much I can say about Bristol or Track, they were out of control before Sarah was in the limelight. But you'd think with Willow they might actually pay attention to her and do the type of parenting that they insist other parents should do for their kids.

Sarah and Todd don't have children they have props. And those props seem to only get love and attention when Sarah needs to look 'motherly'

[Ilsa]

47. Spot on. This is the real issue.

Sarah can blame others for "lack of personal responsibility" but she doesn't appear to be listening to her daughter right now. I think that is why she's testing her limits. She's also testing her parents' ability to pay attention.

[RZM]

57. Where were my parents when I was drinking and smoking pot at 16?

I guess they could have prevented it by locking me in a closet or following me around everywhere I went, but lucky for me they chose not to do that. Like most kids, I had a life outside of my family and my parents had little choice in what I did when I wasn't around them.

This obsession with the Palins borders on absurdity.

[Joe Fields]

76. Thanks..Well said, and done in few words.

:toast:

[LynneSin]

83. But were your parents preaching morality and telling us howto raise our kids?

It's not that the kid is doing this stuff, it's that the parents (well the mother) trying to govern others on how to raise their kids but don't bother to see what they are doing with their own

[RZM]

85. Not at all

But even if they had been, it wouldn't have made it any easier to control what I did when I wasn't around them.

What do you want from them? To turn Willow into the girl in the iron mask? Because as long as kids spend time away from their parents, they are going to do what they want.

[LynneSin]

100. I think for most of us Willow isn't the issue - we're just pointing out the obvious

The mom needs to STFU.

:D

We're just pointing out the very obvious. Sarah Palin makes herself out to be this uberparent who thinks she has the right ideas with how to raise her kids. But she isn't.

[RZM]

54. Few things in the news matter less than Willow Palin's antics

And that's saying a lot, given all the fluff we have in the news. Give it a rest. Nobody gives a shit. Sarah Palin is a adult public figure who's active in politics. What she does matters (though probably not as much as many people think). Her kids are none of those things and nothing they do matters to any of us. She may have put them out there, but that's on her, not them.

[asdjrocky]

56. Who fucking cares?

First of all, there is nothing immoral about smoking cannabis, I'm doing it right now.

[southernyankeebelle]

62. Both Willow and her brother have been in trouble with the law. If it had been

any other children in AK they would have been in jail. Not the Palins. Even an adult relative of Sarah's broke into someone's home while her little girl was sitting in the car. She got off with a slap on the hand. That was the second time according to the article that she broke into this man's house.

[NuclearDem]

65. Unemployment benefits were cut, the tax cuts are still in debate, DADT hasn't been repealed...

Millions of Americans are without health insurance, we've got a war going on, abortion doctors are being threatened with death, the militia movement is on the rise...

And we give a fuck about a teenager drinking...why?

[NashVegas]

69. And It Worked So Well With the Bush Twins, Didn't It?

[hughee99]

70. I remember the good old days

when politicians children were essentially off-limits at least until the came of age and worked on the campaign... I miss those days. I wonder what sort of invasions of privacy Malia and Sasha have to look forward to?

[RogerBakwater]

74. I hate Palins!!! I am so sick of them

I don't use the term hate nuch either, I am tolerent of most people...but these people are destroying america.

[RZM]

78. I know right

A 16 year old, smoking pot and drinking. Above all else, THAT is what's destroying America. And how about their youngest, with Down Syndrome. I mean seriously, why can't he get it together?

Please. If you think the Palins are destroying America, something is seriously wrong with you. Did you perhaps think that obsessing over them is doing much more damage than anything they can come up with?

[emilyg]

86. Obviously you enjoy

reading about them.

[apocalypsehow]

75. People always try to justify to themselves why picking on children is A-okay: Rush Limbaugh no doubt

told himself the same thing when he made vile comments about Chelsea Clinton because he disliked her parent's politics.

UnRec. :thumbsdown:

[RZM]

79. Where's the unrec crew when you need them?

I did my duty, as did you. Let's use our powers for good, people.

[NuclearDem]

82. Commence UnRecOp

Shall we dance?!

[emilyg]

89. Correct.

[HEyHEY]

80. It doesn't matter.

What her mom does and says and what she does and says DO NOT MATTER. My dad hates drugs, but if I want to do them that's my choice and shouldnt' reflect on him, I don't give a shit who he is or what he's accomplished in life.

[emilyg]

84. Unrec.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

87. Did Sarah pull you or a member of your family

out of a burning building? Just wondering why you have this pathological obsession with crashing every single fucking thread that paints this group of white trash grifters in a negative light. Certainly the time you spend scolding members of this forum could be spent in a more constructive manner?

[emilyg]

88. Any thread dealing with political

figures children I'll continue to unrec.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

90. Even if those children are used as obvious pawns?

These brats have a mother that presents her family as something all families should emulate. If pointing out obvious hypocrisy helps keep knuckle-dragging morons like Sarah Palin out of power, it's worth it.

[NuclearDem]

91. Just because Palin throws them out there doesn't mean we have to take the bait

Or are we just going to play RIGHT into her hands?

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

95. Sick and tired of bringing knives to gun fights.

I think the Palins, and all politicians should have their hypocrisy pointed out.


They can always go back to Alaska and live as private citizens.

[emilyg]

92. All children. I don't

wish to become like Rush.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

93. If it helps keep a functioning illiterate out of office n/t

[NuclearDem]

94. Palin's got more than enough going against her

We don't need to drag a 16 year old through the dirt to make our point.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

96. Maybe Sarah should worry less about fame and fortune

and more about her families' well being.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As if she has EVER given a shit about that.

[Maru Kitteh]

97. Oh what a bunch of crap. What's hypocritical is a bunch of so-called liberals who would cry about

Sasha, Malia, Chelsea, or Amy being attacked because of their relation to high-profile Democratic politicians doing the SAME DAMN THING - all the while throwing out lame-ass justifications just as you did.

Behavior like this is base and petty - but if that's the kind of person you aspire to be - have at it. Please be aware that your excuses are easier to see through than crepe paper in a rainstorm.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

98. Are the Obamas going around the country

preaching morality? Have the Obamas implied that half the country are somehow inferior to the other half?


Sarah Palin and her family give as good as they get, and have earned everything that has been thrown their way. They give white trash a bad name.

[superduperfarleft]

101. I bet Obama woudl have a problem if his daughers were smoking weed and drinking underage.

I'm sure he'd gladly tell you that to if he was asked. Would that make them a hypocrite if they decided, like many teenagers do, to do it anyway?

This is nothing more than picking on teenagers for acting like teenagers. This isn't about "knives to a gunfight" or nonsense like that, it's just petty gossip-mongering about a fucking 16-year-old kid.

Willow calls someone the f-word in public? Feel free to call her on it. Attitudes like that are harmful regardless of who holds them. Willow wants to have a drink and smoke some bud like pretty much every teenager on the planet? Shut the fuck up and quit being a nannyish busy-body. If you're so blinded by partisanship that you can't see the difference, maybe you need to take a break from politics.