President Obama has a problem, 49 percent of voters say he doesn't deserve a second term

[DainBramaged]

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1538


November 22, 2010 - American Voters Could Deny Obama Reelection, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; President Tied With Romney, Huckabee But Leads Palin


President Barack Obama does not deserve a second term, American voters say 49 - 43 percent, and he is in a statistical dead heat with possible Republican challengers Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. President Obama leads Sarah Palin 48 - 40 percent.


Romney, Huckabee, Palin and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich are bunched together when Republican voters are asked who they prefer for the GOP's 2012 presidential nomination, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University survey finds.


Democratic voters say 64 - 27 percent they do not want anyone to challenge President Obama for their party's nomination in 2012.


"The Democratic base remains squarely behind President Barack Obama when it comes to his re-election, but his weakness among independent voters at this point makes his 2012 election prospects uncertain," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.



This is not good. Independents outnumber us, and if the propaganda machine keeps it up, we're fucked in 2012. This is reality, not fiction.



"The demographic splits in the electorate when voters are asked whether the president deserves a second term is a roadmap for his re-election strategists on how they need to focus their appeal. Only 39 percent of men, 34 percent of whites, 35 percent of political independents and 38 percent of those over age 35 think he deserves four more years in the Oval Office."

[Beetwasher]

1. Blah Blah Blah, Check Out Where Reagan Was At In '82, This Is So Irrelevant Right Now It Borders On

Pathetic.

[Jackpine Radical]

I think you mean '84.

Just thought I'd say that before the literalists & smartasses jump all over you.

[Beetwasher]

3. Thanks

Fixed. Duh.

[AngryAmish]

5. I am one of the aforesaid smartasses

82 would be the apt comparison. RR reelected in 84.

[Beetwasher]

Fixed

Smartass.

[Jackpine Radical]

14. I second Beet's Duh.

Yup. 1982.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Reagan Won Because The Economy Improved

If it didn't Mondale would have been 41.

[Jackpine Radical]

66. Mondale proved that honesty doesn't pay in politics.

He told people we needed to raise taxes (in order to get off the path down which RR was leading us(.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Yeah But It Wouldn't Have Mattered If Unemployment Was Still 10.8%

Reagan was able (actually Volcker was able by bringing down interest rates) to bring unemployment to under eight percent by 1984. That's why he won.

[Bucky]

51. Yes, but Reagan had an advantage that Obama seems to lack

the courage of his convictions

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[MrsCorleone]

77. Reagan had the advantage of Big Corp funding his PR. nt

[phleshdef]

86. Yea, WHITE SKIN.

[de novo]

88. This is tedious. Do you really believe it is because of his skin color?

The country knew he was black we he was elected.

[Poboy]

2. America wants a fighter who has convictions, not a weasel/jellyfish.

This man will not stand for anything, because he DOESNT STAND FOR ANYTHING.
He is led by the dictates of the monied class, and will be forever.


FUCK THAT.

[Andy823]

6. The good thing is

He is better on his worst day than any republican, or teabagger, on their "BEST" day! He has done more in his first two years than any republican has done in their whole presidency!

[FLyellowdog]

9. Thank you. nt

[DainBramaged]

12. You and I believe that, the public perception is different

The 'public' watches FAUX, we don't. The 'public' is inundated by a compliant MSM, we arent, and WE are out-numbered.

LOTS of work to do if the President wants to change.

[XemaSab]

55. That's simply not the case

http://www.jesseberney.com/scorecard_print.html

[somone]

16. The deeds have not matched the words

and people have begun to notice.

[Scurrilous]

27. Yep.

Obama is a weasel/jellyfish.

You nailed it!!1!

[ladjf]

32. Poboy, I think you are probably correct. However, I doubt that your

post will last more than a few minutes.

[Poboy]

50. Well, so far, so good. What is that saying by Orwell?

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

[Raine]

58. Agree and if he doesn't start standing up

for the people they are not going to stand with him in two years, time is running out.

[bluestateguy]

4. Oh here we go. It just never ends, does it?

You know, I thought that with the elections over, we could have a reprieve for just a few precious weeks from the Polling Industrial Complex, but Nooooooooooooooooooo!

[DainBramaged]

8. Well, should we just stick our heads in the sand and hope that magically it gets better?

Let's ignore the bad news and maybe the losses won't be as bad as they say they will, like November 2nd, yeah that's when we didn't lose 70 seats in the House, only 61 so it wasn't all bad right?


:eyes:

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[DainBramaged]

15. So you think phrasing it that ways prevents you from being alerted on for a personal attack?

you know not who you speak of.

[donco6]

17. You're accusing DB of being a troll?

That's quite a stretch.

[DainBramaged]

20. I've had worse, some departed members accused me of being a paid Thug operative

Quite a few people here, and those who have met me know better.

I love a good fight, especially with welterweights.

:hi:

[quinnox]

24. You might want to take a gander at the new DU rules...

I believe calling people trolls is forbidden on DU.

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[quinnox]

7. I am worried Obama will lose in 2012

These numbers can change for better or worse, but Obama seems to be giving no signs of having learned anything from the devastating defeat in the Nov. election.

If he doesn't change things and pronto, then I think these numbers will continue to get worse.

Putting your head into the sand and pretending everything is wonderful in Obama-land is not a solution.

[defendandprotect]

71. Dealing us out of MEDICARE FOR ALL ... had to have been a death wish ....!!

Everyone understands what that would have mean to the party and relection not

only for 2010 and 2012, but the next decades!!

That Obama trampled that opportunity is shocking still -- no "inner FDR" in

this guy!

[Swede]

10. When do the polls close?

I better go vote for him right now!

[tritsofme]

13. This only starts to be a meaningful question about 15 months from now

And even that is a stretch.

At this point in time, 2012 polls are worthless.

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[elleng]

19. Logically, then, 51 percent says that he DOES.

Remember? What does it take? (assuming any of this would be relevant in 2012! The clowns do have to put someone up against him, you know!)

[DainBramaged]

21. 43 percent, you have to read the poll

[XemaSab]

57. Where is the 51 (or 43) percent?

If the percent who want to see him re-elected aren't in Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida then we're in deep shit.

[elleng]

63. Right, so this is why any polls these days are useless,

and I'm outta here!

[defendandprotect]

76. Evidently, 28 MILLION expected voters didn't vote in 2010 ....

the day after the election Obama suggested he was willing to "compromise" --

presumably what he meant was "compromise MORE" with the right wing.

Is this really what you voted for in '08?

[tridim]

22. This method of propaganda worked pretty well a few weeks ago.

They're doing it again. Not surprised.

Nate Silver will be along shortly with verification of the results, and then that's that.

[WI_DEM]

23. They said the same about Clinton and Reagan too at around this time.

[johnaries]

34. Yep! 2 years is a long time, politically.

[inna]

25. And the most fucked up thing about it all is that...

the only likely result will be only a further shift to the right.

:banghead:

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Let's not forget that 'the independents' is not a monolithic group -

they are not a third party with a common agenda.

In fact, the majority of them are disaffected Democrats who have abandoned the party over the past 20 years of rightward movement by the Democrats. We CAN get them to vote Democratic by simply adhering to Democratic solutions and Democratic platforms - protection of workers, equality, opposition to corporate influence, use of the military as a last resort rather than the first option. Hold to our ideals and we not only hold the base, but draw better than 50% of independents back into the fold.

[Laelth]

43. Hear, hear! n/t

-Laelth

[elleng]

28. VIRGINIA LIKES HIM!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9610686&mesg_id=9610686

[Richardo]

29. Newsflash: President not elected by popular vote. What states are these people in?

....is the real question.

[DainBramaged]

30. Click the link for the poll methodology

Reading, the fun way to learn............

:eyes:

[liberal N proud]

31. But will that give that office to Palin over Obama?

That is the question.

These polls are ask question in a manner to exude specific responses and can be twisted to say what ever the pollster wants them to say.

[ecstatic]

33. This should make 20% of DU happy nt

[AC_Mem]

35. Comon.... geez

2012 is a lifetime away in the world of politics. Repugs are flush with power and we have not even had a glimpse of the mess they are going to make once they get in and start ranting and raving and doing nothing again.

People need to freaking settle down and it might help if we were reminded of what HAS gotten accomplished under President Obama's first year+.

This country is beginning to really scare me, the fear mindset and hope for failure is hard to deal with on a daily basis.

Annette
who still believes in Hope and Change

[DainBramaged]

44. One more time, should we just ignore everything negative?

[AC_Mem]

93. Of course we shouldn't ignore everything negative

But is it really necessary to ONLY focus on the negative?

[lob1]

36. Now dems are saying they have to cut social security

to save it because of the Catfood Commission. If Obama takes this attitude, he done as far as I'm concerned.

[Tippy]

41. Ready to throw the baby out with the bath water?

This is exactly the response the RNC would like to see circulated.....instead of saying "he done as far as I'm concerned" I would say we just have ot work harder to get the Democratic message out. Have you made any calls? signed any petitions? try it you might like it....

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. We should support his cutting social security for fear of Republicans coming in

and cutting social security?

If the Democratic message is 'cut social security' than I'm with him - I'm done.

[defendandprotect]

79. Poster supports Social Security/liberal program -- you counter with RNC?

Don't really understand the brain channels here which are so stricken

with FEAR that they hear a call for a move to the LEFT and they read it as

a positive for the GOP!

I'd also suggest that you not presume what anyone here has done or not done --

You know the old saying ... right?

But I will say this -- what Obama did in trampling MEDICARE FOR ALL evidently

ended up in a huge NO VOTE in 2010 -- 28 million expected voters did not vote?

If Obama proceeds any further down this right wing road of trying to overturn

Social Security or privatize it, it would be a complete disaster -- not only

for Obama but for the Democratic Party!

Interesting that we entered '09 with a collapsing and pretty much finished GOP --

Obama snatched defeat from the jaws of victory!

[defendandprotect]

80. +1000% .... in fact, deals with Big Pharma and private HC industry were pretty much....

"it" for me ---

We need a Democratic challenger to Obama for 2012 --

And I am dreading the next two years considering the huge amount of damage

did during these first two!

[MineralMan]

37. Eagerly posting the speculation?

[Tippy]

38. There are poll...and there are polls

Way to early to put faith in them at this point....

[Radical Activist]

39. Predicting a loss worked very well for 2010. Let's do it again for 2012!

Good job on the early start.

[ixion]

40. "President Obama leads Sarah Palin 48 - 40 percent. "

Which means this is a poll from fantasy land.

[B Calm]

42. All he has to do is end NAFTA / Free Trade and install fair trade tariffs

and I'll vote for him again.

[defendandprotect]

73. and pass MEDICARE FOR ALL .... 50 million Americans w/o health care ....

[Catherina]

46. He sure doesn't. n/t

[Pab Sungenis]

47. He doesn't deserve it.

But he has two years to change that.

[DainBramaged]

48. And that my friend is the point. Two years to change the public perception

I hope all is well with you and yours.

[grahamhgreen]

49. It's not just perception. He has two years to reach out to his base -

or he'll never get another term.

[BzaDem]

54. You're posting that in a thread quoting an article saying that the base is solidly behind him.

It is amazing how many "Obama critics" think that they are not in a tiny minority of the base. Obama has a higher Democratic approval rating than any President in 50 years.

[TBF]

60. That's because the past 30 years were so conservative -

and featured republicans for president (including the best of the bunch, conservative Bill Clinton). But don't mistake that for "solidly behind him".

[BzaDem]

72. Again, my point is that most liberals think what you are saying is the opposite of reality.

You of course can continue to say that all Democratic presidents were actually republicans, etc etc. But the fact that you say it doesn't mean that it is true, or that a non-negligible portion of Democrats and liberals think it is true.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

52. Yup. Right now I stand in the --

"he does not deserve a second term" camp. We will see what the next two years bring.

[budkin]

53. Newt Newt Newt!

[KeyserSoze87]

56. This poll is bullshit.

I mean, his approval rating is 47% right now, which is amazing for a president who is currently dealing with 9.6% unemployment. If that's what his approval rating is now, wait until the economy fully recovers in the next two years. He'll be well above 60%. Obama will win in 2012, period.

[DainBramaged]

61. When you form keysersoze polling service, let us know, m'k?

:eyes:

[KeyserSoze87]

82. Oh, very funny. And just to let you know, I got the approval rating from Gallup.

I didn't pull it out of my ass.

GOBAMA 2012!

[SoCalDem]

59. Presidents (mostly democratic presidents) don't ever really get to govern

They must remain in full-on campaign mode for the entirety of their term because of the incessant polling done to discredit them, and the media's drumbeat to "find someone better"..

There was as time when the election ENDED when the votes were tallied.. The losers went home to lick their wounds and plan for a better outcome next time.. The rest of us just accepted the new guy and went on about our business until the next election..

[defendandprotect]

75. Unfortunately, we've seen 2 years of Obama governing .... and it's

not been a pretty sight!

The question really what will be left after another two years of Obama?

We need a liberal/progressive Democrat to challenge Obama --

[defendandprotect]

62. K&R ....

[Major Hogwash]

65. 20% of those people are Tea Party fanatics, and another 20% will change their minds when

they lose their jobs in the next year!!

They're not creating jobs in Washington, they're shipping them overseas!!!

[ProSense]

67. "more than eight in ten Democrats saying that the president does deserve a second term"

CNN on the Quinnipiac poll

"This is not good. Independents outnumber us, and if the propaganda machine keeps it up, we're fucked in 2012. This is reality, not fiction."

Does this mean he should move to the center?

[de novo]

89. "Does this mean he should move to the center?"

No. Independents are not 'centrists'. They are usually responsive and reactive. They go where they see effective, result-driven governing. OR they go away from those in power when results aren't forthcoming.

He shouldn't move to the center. He should move to effectiveness.

[defendandprotect]

70. If Obama is in a dead heat with Romney and Huckabee .... I think the

Dem 64 should rethink a challenger to Obama --

[Bolo Boffin]

74. Three words for people who don't think Obama deserves a second term:

Associate Justice Yoo.

[mfcorey1]

78. Phony poll. I just saw one that showed he has 80% support from Democrats.

[defendandprotect]

81. Where were they this past Election Day?

Evidently, 28 million expected voters didn't vote --

[mix]

83. Team Obama shudders and then starts scolding. nt

[DainBramaged]

92. They sure swarmed here like angry hornets, didn't they?

:evilgrin:

[Skittles]

84. I'm surprised it is not higher

[Lorien]

85. I doubt that he'll run for a second term

He's served his purpose in pushing the party to the hard right while the GOP pushed their party off the cliff of insanity. Team Obama fans now embrace every position they stood against when BushCo was in office. Mission accomplished.

[karynnj]

87. This really is not that meaningful a question - as it doesn't account for there being really only 2

choices in the end. Many saying he does not deserve re-election, will choose him over the likely alternatives. An example of this is that in 2008, there were polls a year before showing Lautenberg at an even lower point - and he easily won. In Ma, at the same point, Kerry was at about the point that Obama was, but in simultaneous questions he beat all suggested Democratic and republican opponents by over 20 points - in the election he won by 34 points.

The problem with the question is that it gets many people, who like the person, but who are disappointed for one reason or another, to say no - meaning he has not earned another term. Remember here that the alternatives are many and variable. So, it might pick up some hoping for a "more progressive" choice (How many Dean, Feingold, Grayson etc posts have we seen?) or people still longing for President Hillary Clinton as well as many who want one of the many Republicans.

In some ways, it is surprisingly high - over most estimates of his approval rating.

[Demstud]

90. Doesn't matter

Obama could look alot better nationally once the Republican candidate starts actually campaigning. I remember Romney and Huckabee for example getting hammered pretty good by McCain in primary debates. I have a hard time seeing a lot of these people sustaining any kind of voter enthusiasm.

[DainBramaged]

91. It amazes me how pissed off so many of you are at this poll

and how in spite of the polls that warned us we would lose the House this past election, you stuck your heads in the sand and bleated out 'not true, never going to happen, the polls are all wrong'.

I'll make sure I bookmark this thread so that, God willing in two years, I can look back and see how many of you are still claiming the polls are wrong when the President doesn't get the message and the fucking Republicans have taken over.

Have a nice day y'all......