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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 05:55 PM
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The darker side of el Al's acclaimed airport security: racial profiling.
Some people are looking to Israel for ideas on how we can have good airport security without the need for scans and pat-downs. But would Israel's profiling techniques ever be acceptable in a country like ours? Especially in the view of progressives? I don't think so.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/15/60II/main324476.shtml

What do the Israelis do that the Americans don’t do? Well, they’ve had sky marshals since the 1960s. And racial profiling.

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Merav Rosen is a supervisor. She’s 28 and has worked at Ben Gurion seven years.

What is she looking for?

"Anything out of the ordinary, anything that does not fit," she says. "People that ask too many questions, people who seem to be lying, to be hiding something from us. We look for the extraordinary, what is not normal, what we don’t know as normal."



http://www.businessinsider.com/sorry-the-el-al-israeli-security-model-will-never-work-here-2010-1

The Israeli security model is (as noted in the article) more about the passenger than their baggage. This approach is both effective, time-consuming, and "racist": the profilers have a conversation with each passenger; as I'm an Israeli Jew, I always get the abbreviated treatment -- focusing more on where my bags have been since I've packed them. As a foreigner, you get a much more in-depth grilling. As a Muslim? They want to know your shoe size, and then a whole 'nother screener comes over and asks you everything all over again, just to see that you keep your story straight. Like they say in the article, the conversations they have are not so much about what you say as how you say it. The screeners are taught to iterate a few levels deep into your story and see that it doesn't break down under scrutiny.

Naturally, this process supposes that A) the threat is foreign and mostly limited to one ethnic/religious group, and B) screeners have this sort of time.

In the US, racial profiling is... unpalatable, and if each passenger / family got even a perfunctory 1-minute Q&A session with a TSA security officer, the system would crash. The US is dealing with a larger threat profile, and a whole different order-of-magnitude of traffic.




http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11220.shtml

A 2007 report on racial profiling by Israeli carriers, published by the Arab Association for Human Rights and the Centre Against Racism, concluded: "This phenomenon is so widespread that it is hard to find any Arab citizen who travels abroad by air and who has not experienced a discriminatory security check at least once."

The two groups found that Arab and Muslim passengers typically faced long interrogations and extensive luggage searches, and were also regularly subjected to body and strip searches, had items including computers confiscated, were kept in holding areas and were escorted directly on to the plane.

The report noted that foreign countries that allowed Israel to carry out its own security checks at their airports failed to supervise them and preferred to "ignore their discriminatory nature and the human rights violations committed on their own soil."


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In December an airport official told the right-wing Jerusalem Post newspaper: "Profiling makes the biggest difference. A man with the name of Umar flying out of Tel Aviv, whether he is American or British, is going to get checked seven times."
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http://story.irishsun.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/3a8a80d6f705f8cc/id/570743/cs/1/

“What we are trained is to look for the immediate threat, the Muslim guy. You can think he is a suicide bomber, he is collecting information. The crazy thing is that we are profiling people racially, ethnically, and even on religious grounds,” Johnathon Garb, a former El Al security guard told the Johannesburg TV program. “This is what we do,” he added.

Mr. Garb said the El Al airline had been a front for Shin Bet for years. “Here is a secret service operating above the law in South Africa,” Garb said. “We pull the wool over everyones’ eyes. We do exactly what we want. The local authorities do not know what we are doing.”

Two other former security guards with El Al verified the allegations. They told Carte Blanche black and Muslim people were often taken to a special annex room where they were held for questioning. They were interrogated they said not necessarily on matters relating to airport security. In some cases they were strip searched and their luggage taken apart. Clandestine searches of their possessions and laptops were also carried out.

One person targeted for special treatment was Virginia Tilley, the chief researcher at South Africa’s Human Sciences Research Council which recently released a report accusing Israel of apartheid in the Palestinian territories. “The decision was she be checked in the harshest way because of her connections,” Garb told the Carte Blanche news program. He said Ms Tilley’s luggage was taken from her and documents in her possession were photo-copied and forwarded on to the Shin Bet in Israel. Ms Tilley confirmed she had been detained by El Al staff at the airport and her luggage was taken from her for inspection elsewhere.
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:16 PM
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1. Wrote a song about it, and it goes like this.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:37 PM
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2. El Al also does not fly puddle jumpers
Check their flight schedule. There are no short El Al flights, so they can afford the added, and time consuming, security measures they employ.

http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/FlightInfo/FlightSchedule/FlightScheduleEng.htm
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:47 PM
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3. And we would never put up with the costs involved. More than 10 times ours.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aFyfihM1e3G4

Borovich estimated El Al's security bill at $100 million a year, which amounts to $76.92 per trip by its 1.3 million passengers. Half is paid by the Israeli government.

By contrast, the TSA spent $4.58 billion on aviation security, or just $6.21 per trip by 737 million passengers, in fiscal 2005.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:50 PM
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4. I won't argue with success. And no groping involved.
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VermeerLives Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:50 PM
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5. Bingo! I agree (n/t)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:04 PM
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10. Their system costs more than 10 times what ours does.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 07:05 PM by pnwmom
Is that okay with you, too?


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid= ...

Borovich estimated El Al's security bill at $100 million a year, which amounts to $76.92 per trip by its 1.3 million passengers. Half is paid by the Israeli government.

By contrast, the TSA spent $4.58 billion on aviation security, or just $6.21 per trip by 737 million passengers, in fiscal 2005.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:55 PM
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7. So the Palestinian Arabs and others who say they've been targeted
through this profiling don't matter to you?

It's okay to racially profile as long as it succeeds?
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:06 PM
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11. no way, we should only be searching old ladies and babies.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:53 PM
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6. Which is why it will never be implemented in US.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 06:53 PM by LisaL
US is much too PC for the Israeli system. US is much rather grope or scan everybody than use any sort of profiling.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:56 PM
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8. It also costs more than 10 times as much.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 06:57 PM by pnwmom
That's another reason people wouldn't be happy with that system.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=...

Borovich estimated El Al's security bill at $100 million a year, which amounts to $76.92 per trip by its 1.3 million passengers. Half is paid by the Israeli government.

By contrast, the TSA spent $4.58 billion on aviation security, or just $6.21 per trip by 737 million passengers, in fiscal 2005.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:59 PM
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9. "As a foreigner, you get a much more in-depth grilling."
As in, they talk to you for longer. It's not like they grab every foreigner's genitals.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:07 PM
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12. If you were Arab or Muslim, you would be more likely to
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 07:08 PM by pnwmom
be "body and strip-searched."


http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11220.shtml


A 2007 report on racial profiling by Israeli carriers, published by the Arab Association for Human Rights and the Centre Against Racism, concluded: "This phenomenon is so widespread that it is hard to find any Arab citizen who travels abroad by air and who has not experienced a discriminatory security check at least once."

The two groups found that Arab and Muslim passengers typically faced long interrogations and extensive luggage searches, and were also regularly subjected to body and strip searches, had items including computers confiscated, were kept in holding areas and were escorted directly on to the plane.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:33 PM
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13. Profiling or groping? Hmmmm.
How about if we borrow from the Dutch?

The flight attendants are replaced with hookers who serve pot on the plane.
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