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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:55 PM
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You've been seeing the DU Admins around a lot lately. And we're not letting you off the hook today.
You may have noticed that the DU Administrators are around a lot more these days. That's because we've got a lot of things to do around here. It's no secret that having a Democratic President -- and losing the common enemy in the form of George W. Bush -- has changed the dynamic here on Democratic Underground. All too often, we seem to find ourselves caught in a circular firing squad, with no way to get out. It has taken a while, but the DU Administrators are now at the point where we feel like we understand the problems facing this community, and we know what we need to do to fix them. We have already made a number of important changes, but there is still a lot remaining for us to do.

This week we have our usual fourth quarter fund drive, and frankly we don't feel like we're ready for it yet. Holding a referendum on the state of Democratic Underground NOW -- when we've only just started to turn things around -- would be kind of like holding a referendum on a Presidency when we're only two years into the full eight-year term.

We would never do that, would we? (Kidding.)

So what have the DU Administrators been doing? Well, for one thing, EarlG and I are http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9221691&mesg_id=9221691">back in the office together for the first time in three years. (The third DU Admin, Elad, is out on the West Coast, and not with us.) We've been much more visible, posting numerous OPs about DU and about other topics, and participating in discussions on a regular basis. We're seeing the problems on DU first hand, and we are also experiencing all the many positive things about this community.

We've been much more hands-on in the moderator forum, working closely with the moderators to help get everyone working together on the same page, to make enforcement easier, fairer, and more consistent.

With help from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, we are aggressively defending our rights (and your rights, too) in a closely watched http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4556835&mesg_id=4556835">copyright trolling suit.

We posted our first-ever Democratic Underground Member Attitudes Survey. The results of that survey are available http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9352909&mesg_id=9352909">here. The survey has given us a much clearer picture of how members feel about DU, and what changes we need to make in order to give you the community you want. Perhaps the most important thing we learned is that incivility is a major concern for a large number of DUers. And so we are focusing almost all of our efforts on improving the tone, encouraging civility, and taking decisive action to deal with problems.

We re-opened the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=437">Ask The Administrators forum, so members can ask questions and get a public response from a DU Administrator. This has been an incredibly important change that opened a vital line of communication between members and administrators. We believe that many of the problems we face here on DU, including a lot of the incivility and disrespect, are the result of misunderstandings. Giving members a place where you can ask questions -- or read questions other DUers have asked -- helps make it less likely that small misunderstandings will blow up into big problems.

We had an election which... sadly... didn't turn out how we'd hoped. But at least the DU web servers performed beautifully! We had a large spike in traffic, but service was never interrupted and DUers had full access to the site.

We've been working with the moderators to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9563958&mesg_id=9563958">update the DU rules and how they are enforced. This is an ongoing project, and we will continue to make whatever changes we feel are necessary and appropriate. Our primary goal is making the rules simpler and shorter, and instructing the moderators to focus on the spirit of the rules just as much as the letter. After all, the message board rules should have one simple, overarching purpose: to facilitate good discussion. This re-write also represents something of a trade-off: You are going to see more active moderation of civility (personal attacks and deliberate disruption), paired with less active moderation of content (especially posts that criticize or defend Democrats).

We've updated the page that members see when you click "Alert" on any post, to help educate members about the DU rules, and to make rule enforcement easier for the moderators.

We've been much more aggressive and decisive in our efforts to identify disruptive people in the community, and (if necessary) to remove them so they will no longer poison the atmosphere for everyone else. Gone are the days when we gave problem people multiple warnings and second, third, and fourth chances that only served to delay the inevitable. We know that people don't like seeing DUers banned, especially DUers who have been here for a long time. But we have decided that we can no longer afford to let disruptive friends stick around forever, as they have made it impossible for everyone else to participate in a good-faith way. If we have to make DU smaller in order to make DU friendlier, so be it.

Yesterday we proposed an http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9569527&mesg_id=9569527">exciting new idea to enforce the DU rules, by giving members the opportunity to make a good-faith effort to fix their own mistakes. We hope that giving members the ability to edit their rule violations will help educate everyone about the DU rules, while encouraging everyone to take responsibility for the things they post here.

And that's just the beginning. We have a number of other ideas to help make this community even better. The DU Administrators are fully committed to DU, and we are committed to "bold persistent experimentation" to make this community the best it can be.

And with this in mind, we are asking for your help. Please take a moment to http://www.democraticunderground.com/donate.html">donate to Democratic Underground. It only takes a moment. And you'll feel good knowing you're supporting this amazing community of progressives.

Thank you for your help.

David Allen
DU Administrator

http://www.democraticunderground.com/donate.html">
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:00 PM
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1. kick
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:01 PM
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2. K+R Beautiful post!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:02 PM
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3. :tinfoilhat:
; )
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:03 PM
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4. I did donate, my dear Skinner, as you know...
I always do. I believe in DU so much!

Recommended.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:04 PM
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5. I thought you were tombstoned???
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:hi:

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:26 PM
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15. I alerted him several times. The Mods are biased. n/t
n/t
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:36 PM
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29. There was a moderator forum mutiny.
They banned me. It took weeks for EarlG and Elad to negotiate my return.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:17 AM
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45. And we're still keeping an eye on you, young man
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 11:17 AM by wryter2000
And a finger on the :nuke: botton. :rofl:
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:07 PM
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6. I wish I could donate
Hopefully the next time around. I really love it here. It's a little bit of sanity in an otherwise insane world. I do live in Florida :)
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:12 PM
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7. You could save some time if you got rid of GDP
It's got the exact same topics as GD on a continual basis...

Bristol Palin Facebook threads in LBN, GD and GDP...

common theme...ix nay GDP-a
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:16 PM
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8. Great post!
Appreciate the work you guys do here! :hi:
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:17 PM
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9. K&R Do you accept cash in the post?
I have the ongoing problem that I don't have any cards and am based out of country. I could send something in a Christmas card, though...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:20 PM
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10. Have you ever had a round tuit?
I'm getting around to it.:-)
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:20 PM
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11. "Error: You can't recommend threads from this forum"
:wtf:

:D

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:20 PM
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12. Thanks again, socialist jackasses! You make this a great place to talk about the Kenyan-born Muslim!
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 03:21 PM by UrbScotty
Ha - refudiate THAT!

:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:

Really, though, thanks for all you do!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:24 PM
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13. I would love to contribute again someday,
but right now, it's not worth it.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 05:34 PM
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23. Me too...
If the new civility rules ever end up being enforced consistantly in the I/P forum, I will start donating again as it's the ongoing issues with the I/P forum that are the only reason I stopped donating in the first place...
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 12:04 AM
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39. Civility in the I/P forum...
thanks, I was having a bad day- that gave me a good chuckle.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:24 PM
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14. Hey Old Bossman- I think the new rules are working. Seen it myself.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 03:25 PM by Dr Fate
A lot of the things that I felt the need to parody are actually being monitored now.

It still rubs me the wrong way, but I can see why you had to lock my thread, in all fairness.

You have my support- I'll donate to the site later in the month after a few more billable hours- you have my word.

All The Old Bossman has to do is say "jump" and Dr Fate begs "how High?" ;)

Say, is there any way I can get you to change your handle to "The Old Bossman"?

I would donate extra for that one...
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Dyler Turden Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:32 PM
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16. K&R
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 03:37 PM
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17. Kicking. n/t.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:03 PM
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18. Thanks Skinner!
K&R
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:03 PM
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19. Rather than being able to fix posts that get members banned..I prefer the beg to return policy
I myself was banned..and thought at the time...well I can go elsewhere...only there is no 'elsewhere' that is anything like DU...let them mull that over for a week and they will come back, hat in hand, to beg for reinstatement.

Just sayin'
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:14 PM
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20. K/R
:yourock:
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LittleGirl Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:19 PM
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21. Your payment to DU, LLC has been processed
My first donation! yeah. We've finally made it so that I can donate to one of my favorite sites. Thank you for your efforts and next time, I'll give a bit more than this one.
Cheers.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:22 PM
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22. K&R for the slackers.
:D
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 05:39 PM
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24. Saw the new, improved enforcement at work yesterday and it worked exactly as it should.
Thank you.
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:16 PM
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25. K&R
Wish I could donate, but I'm still recovering from a long stretch of unemployment.
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:26 PM
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28. My star runs out on Sat...And I am suffering from a bad case of "Lack'o Bucks"
Due to a total lack of employment...There jus aint no jobs out there.
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PJPhreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 02:54 PM
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51. To Whoever made the donation in my name...Bless you!!!!
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 02:54 PM by PJPhreak
I can do with a lot of hadships in my life,dealing with them is not hard for me (I've been a poor Blue Collar kinda person all my life) But not being able to make even a small Donation to DU really grates me....Bless You and Yours!
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-10 06:30 PM
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57. Thank you, whoever you are.
Your anonymous generosity will be repaid in an appropriate fashion.O8) :wow: :loveya: :hug:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:31 PM
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26. I don't see any
difference. Sorry. I'm just upset that I can't say FU to a blue dog.
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:07 PM
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27. You guys rock.
I will always donate, because I think this is one of the few places where I can come and feel like I belong. Yes, we bicker and squabble, but it's still a great place to be.

The sense of community here is amazing and is truly something special. Years ago, I would have never thought you could feel so connected to a group of people you've never met, but I do feel that way, and I hope it continues for years to come.

:bounce:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:41 PM
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30. kick
:kick:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 08:49 PM
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31. I once tried to copyright a Trolling Suit
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:11 PM
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32. I'm bummed that the OP "Here are the results from the 2010 Democratic Underground Member Survey"
Has been archived and I can no longer comment on that OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9352909&mesg_id=9352909

My take away from that was DU has become a place for moderate Dems.

Sad, I miss Progressive DU.

Just sayin'

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale



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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:20 PM
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33. k&r. nt
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:45 PM
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34. I've actually noticed myself self policing since the last post from EarlG
I'm avoiding pithy and trying to go for content and when attacked, trying to figure out if there is useful stuff to discuss, if not, just walking away.
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mindwalker_i Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 09:49 PM
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35. Alert, ALERT!!!!!
Oh wait, that's probably a bad idea :)
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Hatchling Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:26 PM
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36. Re: Timing of the Fund drives,
I ask you to reconsdider when you have the membership drives;have it at the beginning of the month instead of the middle. Many of us are paid on the 1st of the month and find it easier to budget our donations then.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:53 PM
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37. I donated
Edited on Wed Nov-17-10 10:59 PM by AsahinaKimi
I really like the stickers thing you guys did a while ago. I hope we do that again soon.

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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:53 PM
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38. This will be the first time since I've been...
coming here on a regular basis that I won't be donating. It kills me that I won't, but things are beyond tight right now. Hopefully next time around I can make a sizable donation to make up for it.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 12:15 AM
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40. same here...
guess I won't be posting in the Atheist/Agnostic group for a while :(
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:25 AM
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49. Maybe you will n/t
n/t
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 12:36 AM
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41. thanks for the update

hahaha - I have an idea - how about any posts with the word 'Palin' in it aren't allowed in BREAKING NEWS - because franky, hearing about Bristol on Dancing with the Stars, or how a bear was too close to the boat, etc... NONE of it is either breaking, NOR news. Palin is TMZ material, not worthy of this site's 'News' category.

thanks for always making things better and trying to keep things civil



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lillypaddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 05:40 AM
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42. Okay, OKAY!
I'll give. It's not much, but it's all I can do right now.

Thanks for working so hard. :)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:57 AM
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43. Kick
:kick:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 10:16 AM
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44. K&R. And while you're donating, consider giving a star to some DUer who's
having a tough time making ends meet.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:19 AM
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46. There are a couple in this thread
I'm taking care of one. Someone else help with the other. :evilgrin:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Oh, now what could have put the thought in my head in the first place?
:evilgrin:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:24 AM
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48. +1000
:thumbsup: :yourock:
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 01:31 PM
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50. I've been banned for identifying myself as a Republican.
Thankyou for the changes in policy. Thankyou for the re-emphisis on civil discourse. Most importantly thankyou for a forum for Progressives. Thankyou for letting me be here.
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 06:39 PM
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52. Skinner, if this whole blogging thing doesn't work out for you
you, EarlG and Elad can start a new business authoring books on "How to Herd Cats"!!!! You'll certainly have had an abundance of experience! LOL

Thank you for continuing to try to get us all back to day of DU we remember. :yourock:
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:15 PM
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53. kick
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 07:35 PM
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54. Sounds Good ... THANKS! nt
:yourock:
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 11:17 AM
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55. kick
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56. kick
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58. kick
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