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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:02 AM
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Could agreements among blue states help us get single payer and other public goods?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/11/14/920223/-Plan-BDrown-them-in-a-Tea-Cup

We don't want to pay for what they want (twelve carrier battle groups) and they don't want to pay for...well..evidently jack-shit if you get right down to cases.

And an isolated State-by-State approach is too damn small to do the things we want to do, and makes it too easy for individual States to get picked off one-by-one by the Plutocrats, or makes them remain shackled to the Feds.

No, we need Progressive States to work together outside of the Federal System which is broken beyond repair. And we can do it, because States already do have a long history of cooperating.

Start with one thing: Get the three left coast States, New England, the part of the Middle Atlantic that doesn't believe cavemen rode dinosaurs, a few more around the Great Lakes, and we can have a robust, affordable Single-Payer Health-Care System that kicks the hell out of what we have now (or will ever get at the Federal level). But we need a Team of Progressive Horses pulling that wagon. No one horse can do it alone.


http://www.answers.com/topic/interstate-compact

"Article I, Section 10, of the U.S. Constitution authorizes the states, with the consent of Congress, to make compacts among themselves. The Compact Clause says, "No state shall, without the Consent of Congress, ... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power. ..." The U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted this provision to mean that Congress must approve only those interstate agreements that affect the balance of power within the federal system. Furthermore, such approval can be implicit, found in subsequent Congressional acts recognizing the results of the interstate compact (Virginia v. Tennessee, 1893). Administrative agreements or administrative amendments to other agreements do not require congressional approval.

States began making agreements among themselves early in the nation's history. In the colonial period, nine agreements on boundaries existed, and four more were made under the Articles of Confederation. In the first century of the Republic, interstate compacts were limited chiefly to a few boundary agreements; only twenty-four were ratified from 1783 to 1900. A large increase in compacts began in the 1930s, when the Council of State Governments and other organizations began wholehearted encouragement of interstate cooperation as an alternative to federal administration of all interstate issues. By the mid-1970s, the number of compacts approved was over 200, and they affected important governmental responsibilities.

Perhaps the most significant agreements are the river development compacts, which deal with irrigation, pollution control, fishing, and navigation. Federal sponsor-ship of the Colorado River Compact (1928) did not succeed in precluding a long litigation between two of the six states involved, Arizona and California, but the Upper Basin agreement seems to have worked well. The Delaware River Basin Compact (1936) was novel in that it included the federal government as a participating member, as well as the four states directly affected—New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware. The New England Interstate Water Pollution Control Commission, which was formed in 1947, expanded its powers to include regulatory activities in the early 1970s. The Susquehanna River Basin Compact of 1969 (which deals with planning land use), like the Delaware compact, also includes federal participation.

States have made agreements among themselves covering a wide range of other issues and activities, including child custody and placement, educational policy, administration of criminal law, use of natural resources, protection of the environment, transportation, and utility regulation. There are a number of regional development and planning compacts. And one important compact, the Port Authority of New York (1921)—also the first joint administrative agency of a continuing nature—does a multibillion dollar business involving airports, bridges, and tunnels..."


Other references

Start by reading Paul Rosenberg's masterful explanation of the situation: "Red-State moochers: States' returns on federal taxes favor those who complain the most" http://www.openleft.com/diary/18318/redstate-moochers-states-returns-on-federal-taxes-favor-those-who-complain-the-most

Which leads us to Dean Lacy's brilliant analysis: "Why do Red States Vote Republican While Blue States Pay the Bills? Federal Spending and Electoral Votes, 1984-2008"
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1451268#



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:10 AM
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1. yes and get rid of all that suicidal bipartisanhip nonsense nt
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:11 AM
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2. I could see Republicans in Congress and right wing Democrats blocking giving consent.
If states are allowed to form compacts on health insurance, like single-payer health insurance, then they would undermine private health insurance monopolies in many other states, and they would then lobby Congress to revoke such consent or prevent such consent from being given in the first place. They know they cannot compete on a program that only charges at cost and does not tack on a profit mark-up or spend resources denying valid claims from policyholders.
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billlll Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:24 AM
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5. gridlock wd stymie GOP on that
Then we win big in 2012 ....I hope.

A great idea. Where's the most LW city with cheap houses?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:13 AM
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3. Great idea ....!!
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 02:23 AM
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4. Excellent idea
thank you for posting this. I also wish just one democrat would have the courage to point out to these teabaggers just how much blue states are carrying them.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 12:57 PM
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9. ... and a kick --
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:33 AM
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6. yes. good idea.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 04:41 AM
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7. Probably would be harder for blue states to make agreements--
--with blue cities in red states. Too bad.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:32 AM
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8. Blue States Coalition..Yes. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 06:40 PM
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10. I have forwarded this to the One Payer States network
I'll let you know if I get a reply.
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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:27 PM
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11. We certainly have Powerball, and MegaMillions and a few other
multi-state lotteries.

Why not a multi-state COOPERATIVE for health care?

It could start to make the BIG POOLS that are needed to deliver HEALTH CARE and shut down the insurance company PIRATING of our health CARE money into their limousines, private jets, sky scrapers, and gated communities for executives who TREAT NO ILLNESS or PATIENT.
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