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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:40 PM
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Slate: "Europeans Are Finally Slashing Their Cushy Government Programs. Will Americans Do the Same?"
"Europeans Are Finally Slashing Their Cushy Government Programs. Will Americans Do the Same?"

Don't you just love WaP's / Slate "WE are all this" / "WE are all that" propaganda? Talk about patriotism being the virtue of the vicious. Just last week David Broder, the "Dean of the Washington (Post) Press Corps" announced that Obama should invade Iran in order to follow in FDR's footsteps and jumpstart the US economy. He got quite a few letters about it; the Post only printed two, and did not fire him (ok, Iranians aren't an Arab country, so he can't be fired for being an Anti-Semite.) I have an exercise for you: every time you read or copy a Post or Times article, highlight the word "we", "we are all now", "America is a nation of" and other fallacious terminology. This will help inure you to the propaganda you willingly subject yourselves to every time you believe a word you hear on cable TV. Notice how not a word is breathed in this article of ending the war, or the looming spectre of Peak Oil, which seems ill-time to coincide with Moore's Peak (peak miniaturization of electronics) which is why the private sector is desperately hoping to buy up all this stuff.

Europeans are starting to realize that their governments are too big. Will Americans catch on next?

By Anne Applebaum, Washington Post editorial writer

http://www.slate.com/id/2274938/

Throw your Euro stereotypes out the window: Last weekend, a Greek government that has cut public-sector pay and lowered pensions won a clear victory in local elections. Despite strikes and violence, despite the fact that Greece's debt is still growing and more cuts are coming, there will be a Socialist mayor of Athens for the first time in 24 years. (And, yes, in Greece, the Socialists favor budget cuts, and the conservatives oppose them.)

Nor are the Greeks alone. Last month, voters re-elected a Latvian government that cut public-sector workers' pay by 50 percent. The British government coalition, which is also trying to eliminate benefits and cut spending, remains strangely popular, too. Although—contrary to my previous observation—London witnessed its first Continental-style, anti-austerity riot last week, there wasn't much general enthusiasm for the protesters. Some of their leaders wound up denouncing the riots, and they haven't hurt the government's poll numbers yet, either.

It's saying too much to call it a pattern, and it may well not be a permanent change: I'm sure there are plenty of European politicians who won't survive their next encounter with the voters. But there is something in the air. It almost seems as if at least a few Europeans have actually drawn some lessons from the recent recession and accompanying turbulence in the bond markets. They have realized, or are about to realize, that their state sectors are too big. They are about to discover that their public spending, which seemed justified in good economic times, has to be cut. The middle class knows in its heart of hearts that its subsidies, whether for mortgages, university tuition, or even health care, can't last. Some voters even know that their pay-as-you go pension systems aren't sustainable in the long term, either.

I've described this mood swing before, but two American economists, Douglas Besharov and Douglas Call, recently substantiated it in the Wilson Quarterly. They write that most developed countries in Europe and Asia—not some, most—are moving, "however hesitantly," toward market-based government pension and health care systems, at least for the middle class. Most now fund future pensions with investment funds and stock holdings, either instead of or in addition to pay-as-you-go plans. Even countries historically suspicious of the free market—such as Italy, Sweden, and Poland—now use such schemes.

Though the corrections and austerity budgets "aren't anywhere close to correcting the immense long-term balances these economies face," they represent a change of direction. Perhaps because the dollar isn't—yet—under international pressure, the United States has taken the opposite road. President Obama is trying to try to spend his way back into growth, Americans of all stripes still consider "privatization" of Social Security anathema, and even President Bush now regrets wasting the start of his second term on the patently hopeless cause of Social Security reform, which was unpopular even in his own party.

Our recent foray into health care reform took us in the opposite direction from the rest of the developed world, too, not that we were really doing anything so different to start with. As Besharov and Call also note, Americans are wrong to think they currently enjoy "private" or "free-market" medicine. Even when it is not directly state-funded through Medicare or Medicaid, American health care is paid for by employers. And those employers, in turn, get a tax cut for providing health care to employees—in other words, a subsidy.

The result: Unlike, say, the Swiss, who pay for about 30 percent of their medical treatment themselves, or the Slovaks who pay 26 percent, Americans pay only 13 percent. The rest comes from those subsidized employee programs or directly from the government. There are relatively few market mechanisms at work in our system, an absence which may explain, in part, why U.S. medicine is so expensive. And while we're on this general subject, I can't help but note that the U.S Postal Service lost $8.5 billion in the past year and may well go bankrupt next year. Why, in this age of multiple courier services, cheap phone calls, and e-mail, is the post office still a government-owned entity? Germany privatized its post office in 1995.

We remain, of course, the greatest propagandists for liberty and free markets. Our politicians—even President Obama—can be eloquent in the defense of these ideals. But we haven't practiced what we preach for a long time, much longer than we generally recognize. Americans may be from Mars and Europeans from Venus, but would we re-elect a president who cut government wages in half? I find it hard to imagine.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:41 PM
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1. We didn't have cushy programs to begin with.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:41 PM
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2. First of all, our benefits are NOT cushy!
But I assume they'll be cut anyway. . .
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:43 PM
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3. She's not just saying they'll be cut. She's calling for marketization of pension programs worldwide
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 07:44 PM by Leopolds Ghost
And the death of pay-as-you-go worldwide.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:45 PM
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5. as she is essentially commanded to do, by the owners of the printing presses...
n/t
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:05 PM
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9. These people want ALL things to be based on profit and corporate ownership.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 08:41 PM by Leopolds Ghost
I recall reading the replies on a blog about a bunch of ill-informed
Youtubers who insisted that Jesus (who they didn't believe existed,
so that wasn't it) had no reason to throw the money changers out of
the Temple. I think this was in a discussion on that Mel Gibson flick.

These people, who had received no civics education, literally said
their elders growing up could never explain to them what was wrong with
the privatization of a sacred / civic space, (religious beliefs aside).
THIS action, of all things (disrupting commerce) had convinced them
Jesus was a nutcase. Not the problem of evil, or any of that stuff.

They could not figure the logic of it any more than they would question
the logic of building a parking garage on top of their town library,
which happens all the time these days. One even posted that Jesus
"may have" had a wierd, radical agenda that would not sit well with
Americans, in that he "may have had something against making money",
or against mixing money and religion, even though "the money changers
were providing an essential service" and the Temple could not survive
in this guy's interpretation without profit. After all, the logic went,
EVERYTHING has to make a profit to survive. That's the first thing every
nonprofit guru in the DC area tells you! Another poster said that as a
child, her mom had told her that Jesus came back from the dead and was
pissed off at being killed(!) and that's why he overturned the perfectly
innocent shopping stalls, because her parents felt uncomfortable using
it as an opportunity to teach her a cultural or civics lesson. Because
disrupting commerce is EEVIL! She didn't learn the whole story until
later and the whole concept still seems silly and batshit insane to them.
After all, money IS a religion to most Americanized middle class folks;
anyone who thinks otherwise should check out those "prosperity churches".

So the point is, an entire generation of Americans has grown up
believing that the free market is God and anything that does not
rely on complete individual market dominance and competition for
profit is communism, and communism is EEVil. And not for any
religious reasons, they're just greed worshippers.

They will not rest until everything is owned by their bosses and
they, and their bosses get a cut of everything we do or buy. And
the "free market" they talk about is where you are "free" to buy
goods from the same limited selection of stores at the cheapest
rate possible, and they are "free" to open up as many stores as
they want and charge whatever they want and pay whatever they want.

And your pension will subsidize their profits after the Social
Security "reform" is done, just like Welfare "reform" got done
under Clinton and a Republican House.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:44 PM
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4. If Europe actually cuts its "cushy programs" it's for a couple of reasons...
1) Many Euro governments are being increasingly filled with insane right-wingers who don't understand Keynesian economics.

2) The influence of America's problems on the entire world economy should not be underestimated. If the Europeans don't have the money anymore, it's only because American owned multinationals have completely wrecked the global economy.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:14 PM
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10. The rise of insane right wingers in Europe can be put down to Anti-Muslim Anti-Semitism in Europe.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 08:30 PM by Leopolds Ghost
They don't like blacks or Jews, either. And now they're simply no longer afraid to say so.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:15 PM
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11. I won't be surprised when they blame the Peak Oil decline on Muslim Invasion. It's what Bush wanted
Unite people against a common foe for 100 years of war to distract them from their economic woes.
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alanquatermass Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 07:08 AM
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16. So, just so I understand...
-- you're saying that "insane right-wingers" suddenly rose up all at once throughout Europe, and -- not understanding Keynesian economics -- stupidly and recklessly decided to slash their countries spending, whereas if they truly "understood" Keynesian economics, they would know enough to keep spending money they haven't got?

In other words: Europe has no debt crisis!

But if there IS a European debt crisis, then -- according to you -- it was caused by America.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:46 PM
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6. FREE MARKETS!! FREE MARKETS!!
:puke: :puke: :puke:

K&R

Thanks for posting this
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:49 PM
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7. I see I'm not alone in thinking WHAT cushy programs? nt
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 07:57 PM
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8. Outlets like this *only* make comparisons to Europe in this precise way.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 08:37 PM by Marr
They point out a directional trend in Europe, and say we should be doing the same. The problem is, the European nations are so much better in things like social services, that they can walk them back as needed and still be far, far ahead of us. It's like we're standing on the edge of a cliff, with a 500 foot drop just in front of us, and these sorts look at Europe and say, "see? they're walking-- we should, too".

Why wasn't Slate talking about European healthcare over the last few years? Why don't they make comparisons to their tax policies now? No-- they'll wait for a European nation to make a temporary, minor percentage adjustment in the direction they like, and *then* cite them as an example of what to do.

I'm always reminded of something that I noticed during a trip to France I made when Bush was President. When I got on the plane here, all the talking heads were saying how we had nothing to worry about with all the war spending, because our debt was only... I don't know, 7% of GDP. They all agreed this was completely acceptable, and made passing references to France, which was having to make adjustments to it's social programs because of it's debt to GDP ratio.

Anyway, I got off the plane in Paris, picked up a paper, and discovered that their debt was 3% of their GDP. Less than HALF the number that our domestic pundits were blowing off as acceptable in the states, while condemning France for it's bloated budget. It was only then that I realized the talking heads in the states had never once mentioned an actual number when discussing France's debt. It's all so deceitful.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:32 PM
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14. Wow, excellent point.
The GDP lie deserves its own thread...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:33 PM
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15. +1
good point
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:20 PM
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12. No, I think the DoD is pretty safe. n/t
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 08:22 PM
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13. Europeans Are Also Raising Taxes and Cutting Defense
But let's not let facts get in the way of the right wing economic narrative.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-10 10:49 AM
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18. We have cushy government programs?

Who knew?
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