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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:32 AM
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USA! USA! The first 100 leaked body scans, here:
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans

One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans

At the heart of the controversy over "body scanners" is a promise: The images of our naked bodies will never be public. U.S. Marshals in a Florida Federal courthouse saved 35,000 images on their scanner. These are those images.

A Gizmodo investigation has revealed 100 of the photographs saved by the Gen 2 millimeter wave scanner from Brijot Imaging Systems, Inc., obtained by a FOIA request after it was recently revealed that U.S. Marshals operating the machine in the Orlando, Florida courthouse had improperly-perhaps illegally-saved images of the scans of public servants and private citizens.

We understand that it will be controversial to release these photographs. But identifying features have been eliminated. And fortunately for those who walked through the scanner in Florida last year, this mismanaged machine used the less embarrassing imaging technique.

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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:37 AM
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1. I saw nothing in those images I would object to......
As long as it gets no more invasive than that, it would be okay with me.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:00 PM
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9. From the article...
... that's a court house running older tech. The new full color scanners that the TSA is using is much more revealing and much higher resolution. Furthermore, the point of the article is that employees (in this case guards at a courthouse) ignored the policy to delete images AND the technology allows them to save them which is at odd with what we have been told about these scanners. So we have a technology that allows a user to do something they're not supposed to do, and we have users ignoring clearly stated policies with little oversight until a FOIA request goes in from a newspaper. And finally, we have no idea what what accountability the policy violators will face if at all. Considering the "thin blue line" found with the cops and security guards, I doubt there will be any repercussions or enforcement because nobody watches the watchmen.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:17 PM
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11. Guards ignored the policy to delete images?
I don't think anyone could have foreseen that human beings would disregard a written policy just for their own prurient interests! Whoever heard of such a thing? Secretary Napolitano has assured the public again, just this week, that it's practically unpossible to save any images, the person viewing the images is far removed from the scanner machine, and the policy against saving images is firmly in place.

How could there be a problem?
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:33 PM
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19. "Prurient interests"?
If somebody is jacking off to that, I need to get into the porn industry and sell to those people because if that's what gets them off, it's a pretty easy sell to that crowd.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:36 PM
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20. Remember, these are the cruder images from a courthouse scanner
The scanners used by the TSA in the airports have far greater resolution. And if the courthouse folks are saving even these images, for whatever reason, what makes you think that more detailed images aren't going to be used by the folks who are there to protect us for non-security reasons?
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:03 PM
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26. Yah - OK - reading comprehension not quite there today, eh?
Check this video out which is from the TSA site (and hosted somewhere else). Look especially at the level of resolution that is available when they magnify.

And yes those images will be saved. This case proves it.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=972_1262283908
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 01:08 PM
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27. How the heck do I have a reading comprehension problem?
Here is the quotation in the post I responded to: "I don't think anyone could have foreseen that human beings would disregard a written policy just for their own prurient interests!" They were talking about the instance in the OP and making a generalization, certainly. The ones you showed me are not all that prurient either. Do I think it is ridiculous to have these scanners? Yes. But more for the fact that we are letting fear drive our every move and not because I think somebody is going to get all hot and horney looking at a ghost outline of my body.
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haifa lootin Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:05 PM
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45. Your sarcasmometer is out of calibration.
;-)
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:39 PM
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22. The point is what they say can be and is different from what's happening.
"practically" impossible is not impossible. If there is a way to save the images then the written policy can be and will be violated. Its happened already so its probable it will happen again and that is the point of the article.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:00 PM
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28. Gasp. It's almost like you can't assume authorities working in secret will be pure of heart!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:23 PM
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15. Wasn't the point that the images were kept ILLEGALLY?
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:27 PM
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17. How would you like it if people knew that you were filled with ping pong balls?
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:49 PM
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25. What makes you think technology is fixed in place?
Every new model of scanner that is fielded can be counted on to have increased resolution and clarity. I could be wrong about that, but I am willing to bet the farm I'm not.:shrug:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:00 PM
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29. It is more invasive. They can even see your feminine vertical lines.
All three of them.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:04 PM
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31. So it's OK with you that these images were released?
You don't understand this whole brewhaha do you?

:eyes:
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:32 PM
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36. No, I don't
I would have no problem with them using it on me, but I strongly disagree with their releasing the scans. I haven't flown since 9/11. so I have no idea what the airport is like these days. I've only heard stories. My wife flew to Atlanta last week, and she said she had no problems.

The images I saw were so blurred, I don't even see how they would help, but I suppose they know what to look for. I didn't finish the video, just watched the first couple of minutes. In the images I saw, you couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman, what race they were, or anything.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 03:13 PM
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37. I have A LOT of problems with these scanners, A LOT
and driving is now first priority. My beloved ex-wife decided to DRIVE up from Texas because she REFUSES to let some stranger look at her neked. three days instead of three hours.

Sorry you enjoy that, but we don't and it is an invasion of our privacy.


First they came for your image, then they came for you......
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:57 PM
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43. But the newer scanners do not produce blurred images, but very, very
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 05:58 PM by tblue37
clear naked images. And since these blurred ones were saved against policy, you can be sure that the more naked ones will also be saved against policy, and eventually we might all find our very naked bodies all over the internet!

Don't tell me these won't be saved and shared on the net!:

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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:04 PM
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44. Those are millimeter wave scans. Here's an example of the backscatter the TSA is now using (NSFW).
This is a real scan of a real woman in a real backscatter machine like the ones being installed in airports right now. As you can see, it doesn't leave much to the imagination.


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:41 AM
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2. THE POLICE STATE MOVES FORWARD!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:42 AM
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3. Those are not very alarming images
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:51 AM
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5. I was alarmed by how worthless they appeared.
:shrug:
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xor Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:31 PM
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40. Maybe that's the idea?
"See... we can't see anything fappable"
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:51 AM
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4. That actually would make me feel better about the scan.
The example images I had seen months ago were much more detailed and really were like ghostly naked images. If they use less "human" looking like these images, I won't mind so much. But I have no idea what the images from my local airport look like.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:02 PM
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10. The article says its a different system from the TSA.
Its trying to illustrate how easy it is for people to violate the policies that surround this technology and that this technology ALLOWS policy violations. Talk about a poor design. These things are as bad as the Diebold voting machines.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:19 PM
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13. Far more detailed
Reverse the negative and you got cheap porno
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:23 PM
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34. Whether they are detailed or fuzzy...
they were illegally retained and both types of scan results are unnecessary invasions of privacy.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:55 AM
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6. Meh...
You can't see shit in them.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:03 PM
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30. That isn't the point. And the newer scanners are more detailed.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:16 PM
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38. What was the point?
"Meh, it's worthless." (as a tool)

"Meh, it's worthless." (as an invasion)

"Meh, it's worthless." (tempest in a teapot)


:shrug:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:57 AM
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7. For those unconcerned with these images, try these instead.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-10 11:58 AM by Pacifist Patriot
Do a Google Image Search for Manchester Airport Body Scanner. Then tell me they aren't embarrassing. Courthouse imaging is a bit different from the airport scanning.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:21 PM
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14. +1 This is the point. Google "Manchester Airport Body Scanner"
That's the point.

PB
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:24 PM
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35. Beyond considering this to be an unnecessary invasion of privacy...
I have absolutely no confidence in something with the potential for misuse not being abused at some point.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:28 PM
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18. Why don't you just post them
Look like creepy ghosts to me...

Isn't that the point, the more the images get posted and distributed, the more people see them, the more outrage you can drive to possibly get them eliminated or changed?





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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 04:30 PM
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39. Actually the point was the availability to search on the web.
I don't have confidence the images will remain secure and for TSA eyes only.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 11:58 AM
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8. Welcome to the Police States of America. nt
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:18 PM
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12. Meh. Not a single potential porn star.
And geez, people in Orlando sure got fatter since I lived there.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:24 PM
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16. It's the ILLEGALITY, not the QUALITY.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:21 PM
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33. +1
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:38 PM
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21. Will we ever acknowledge that if something can be misused, it will be? n/t
:kick: & R

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 02:21 PM
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32. +1
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:46 PM
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23. Did Ann Coulter make the cut?
:-)
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:18 PM
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41. They thought she was a guitar string, frayed at one end.
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de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 12:48 PM
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24. What do these types of scans catch that a metal detector can't?
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:42 PM
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48. as I understand it, yes
things like bags of liquid explosives taped to your leg


but I am by no means an expert on the subject
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 05:23 PM
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42. Scanners and groping are unacceptable
Once the fascists have pushed us to armed struggle, I promise to hold every one of their prisoners naked in a cage for public display.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:36 PM
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46. X Ray Porn
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:40 PM
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47. more proof that most Americans are over weight
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-10 06:44 PM
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49. That's the porno scanner? If someone rented that porn from the video store
they would demand their money back.

That's about as erotic as Tetris.
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