So, I see Jon Stewart is now officially persona non grata at good old DU.

[11 Bravo]

The guy who has done more than anyone else to expose the hypocrisy and bias of FoxNews is now a "Fox apologist". The guy who routinely skewers Republican bigotry, stupidity, and general asshattery is now a "Republican stooge".
Fuck me with a chain saw. I thought "99%ers" referred to the bottom 99% of the wealth holders who are routinely fucked over in favor the top 1%. WRONG! A 99%er is one who only hews to exactly what you believe a paltry 99% of the time, and is therefore a stooge, turncoat, apologist hack. Thanks for setting me straight.

[NeedleCast]

1. Yup...can't speak ill of KO here

I'd trade a dozen Keith Olbermans for one Jon Stewart

[cyr330]

3. Me too

I've never enjoyed watching Stew & have always thought he was dumb.

[whathehell]

16. You could right after Stewart's rally....I know because I had to battle quite a few of them.

How can you compare KO to JS?...Isn't Stewart "just a comedian"?:eyes:

[NeedleCast]

46. I'm not really comparing the two

Would be apples and oranges.

[MrsCorleone]

25. It's just astro-turfing, trying to minimize Stewart. Please try to see through the BS.

Loves me some Jon Stewart AND Olbermann!

[jancantor]

66. Agreed

When it comes to comedy I'll take Stewart and when it comes to commentary I'll take Maddow. Olbermann otoh is ... well... unintentional comedy would be putting it nicely...

[Name removed]

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[jancantor]

74. OMG... I don't worship Olbermann...

I must be a freeper teabagger!!

[CLANG]

75. If you say so. I certainly would never infer that.

[deaniac21]

93. That would be a terrible blow to Global Gasbaggery.

[VMI Dem]

2. Remember when people turned on insightful genius Dennis Miller?

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

4. Seriously? We can't just disagree with people any more?

Doesn't that lead to putting yourself on "Ignore"?

:scared:

[BlueState]

6. I disagree with J Stew

At least insofar as his interview with Rachel went last night.

However, I still like him and will still watch his show.

[EFerrari]

13. Ditto. If I banished everyone I ever disagreed with

who would I disagree with?!

:rofl:

[whathehell]

26. Agreed....Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't mean he/she is

"persona non grata".

Does everything have to be so "black and white"?:shrug:



I can't say I've seen strong negativity here toward Stewart or Olbermann.

[PufPuf23]

77. Thank you. Simply put. Both have flaws.

Both also walk a thin line between their art/livelihood and world view.

Both have made choices and have talent to have voice, access, and personal well-being.

I am glad they have programs that inform and entertain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Stewart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann

http://keitholbermann.mlblogs.com/

I included the last link because I have followed KO longer as I first was aware of him in baseball print media and liked his brain then. The bonus for me is that I did not know KO has a baseball blog.

[laughingliberal]

37. +1 nt

[Dyler Turden]

5. I feel there are a lot of people here

who just enjoy dissing people for the sake of dissing.

[grasswire]

12. I think a lot of people missed what he was saying.

And, to be sure, he didn't articulate it very well last night.

[Goldstein1984]

7. Stewart just made a mistake

By trying to play both sides in an attempt to appear unbiased. His mistake was equating Keith Olbermann with the Right Wing hacks. He also forgot the demographics of his audience.

He deserves to be taken to task. But he also deserves recognition of what he contributes, and to be allowed to recover.

I doubt anyone really sees equivalence between Olbermann and O'Riley/Beck/Limbaugh/Savage.

[apocalypsehow]

14. "be allowed to recover" - How gracious of you! I'm sure Stewart was just quaking in his shoes till

you deigned to "forgive" him....


:eyes:

[Goldstein1984]

39. If my individual vote counts...

my individual viewing counts.

But I've never really watched him unless I've seen a link that looked interesting, so I was just making an academic argument that he's entitled to mistakes.

[Green_Lantern]

56. I do...they are all blowhards who resort to insults...

I just can stand KO because he is the more liberal blowhard.

If KOs show was conservative DUers would find him insulting.

[Goldstein1984]

85. I think there's more of a bullshit factor with O'Riley/Limbaugh/Beck

[Green_Lantern]

90. I agree and they are much more malicious...

KO s meanness is typically defensive and reactionary.

[Goldstein1984]

91. I've just finished reading "The Anti-American Manifesto"

And my perspective is a bit refreshed.

People like KO are the necessary reaction to people like Beck/O'Riley/Limbaugh. The Many are going to need to organize around an ideology that unites them in the absence of a single leader.

Beck/O'Riley/Limbaugh, along with people like Palin, are successfully creating the kind of decentralized, leaderless, ideologically-based organization necessary to survice in a police/security state. Like Al Qaeda, the Tea Party has a variety of spokespersons espousing a unifying ideology, each one plays a role, but each one is completely expendable. Even the ideology is somewhat amorphous, allowing it to accommodate a variety of motivating forces. We often use the term "meme" in a derogatory fashion, but memes are necessary in a world where individuals can be discredited or disappeared.

The Few, along with their citizen-poodles on the Right, are way ahead of the Many/Left in this regard. The ironony is that they are mindlessly following Al Qaeda style methodology, and would condemn anyone who pointed out the parallels.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[Green_Lantern]

92. KO doesn't represent "the many" any more than Beck does..

Let's face it, KO makes millions regardless of how bad the economy is.

I think bloggers have become the voice of the unheard and even places like DU.

[RZM]

8. K & R

Stewart's a great. He's funny, intelligent, and biting, yet does it all with class and respect. I think he probably knew he would catch some flak after the rally but said what he did because he thought somebody had to. A good man, as far as I'm concerned.

[arcane1]

9. Not to me, and neither is Colbert

I don't expect to agree 100% with comedians, and I certainly don't expect them to make up for what is lacking in our elected representatives.

[apocalypsehow]

It's the same staggering lack of nuance & rationality that we (rightly) accuse Freepers & Teabaggers

of frequently indulging in - rah-rah hysteria, wrapped in phony indignation.

Rec.

[Dyler Turden]

17. +1

[MrsCorleone]

34. +1

[NeedleCast]

47. Yup, Exactly

[woo me with science]

64. +1000 nt

[fishwax]

10. nah, it's far from official -- and I, for one, still love his work

:kick:

[eleny]

11. Yeah, the guy who has taken to kissing Republican ass to where it's too embarrassing to watch

Therefore, I'm giving the award for exposing FoxNews and ultra right wingers in general to Rachel Maddow. She's consistently done more to earn it.

[RZM]

20. She's had her own TV show for two years

Stewart has been on the Daily Show for almost twelve. Yet you still think she's 'done more?'

[arcane1]

27. Stewart definitely reaches a broader audience...

one who would have never been exposed to much of the hyperbole and dishonesty from the right wing, since most people don't watch political news programming, but love to laugh.

(edit for typos)

[eleny]

43. I view her as being more consistent than he with the time she's had

She's also got some radio years under belt which I won't discount for the sake of your argument.

Quality over quantity. I'm sticking with my choice.

Stewart's recent interview with Chris Wallace was beyond what I can tolerate.

[Green_Lantern]

58. I think he seems much more independent than Maddow

She isn't consistent in her intelligence. She poked fun at John Boehner for saying the Constitution had a preamble, which it does.

Egg on her face.

[Green_Lantern]

57. so you'd rather him blast his guests the way Hannity does?

nt

[eleny]

62. No, I'd rather he keep their feet to the fire in a respectful and humorous way

He's done it countless times before. He's a master at it.

Like I said above - his interview of the other night with Chris Wallace was an ass kissing. Furthermore, it was a turn to the right I won't support.

[Fumesucker]

15. I think Stewart is a brilliant comedian and a pretty decent interviewer..

However I think Jon tried to hew a little too close to the "both sides do it" false equivalancy meme and slipped over the edge..

[JoePhilly]

18. Tripe.

John is fine. Although he did appear to have been shot with a tranquilizer dart in his last few interviews.

And sadly, in those interviews, he appeared to back off his skewering of Fox.

Not a huge deal really ... it will be forgotten in about 3, 2 ... hey, my popcorn is ready .... see ya!!!

[Sirveri]

76. He also admitted being sick in those interviews. Hard to be funny with the flu.

I still like Stewart though, no reason to ditch him yet. I didn't dump my wife when I found out she farted either!

[NuclearDem]

19. I think I must be watching the wrong show

But I'm really trying hard to find this "Jon Stewart" you're talking about who kisses Republican ass...

[KamaAina]

21. Jon Stewart is doubleplusungood.

Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

[NuclearDem]

24. Oh...

[arcane1]

22. I'd also add: the rally DID NOT equate left and right, at all.

People conveniently forget that it was co-hosted by an actor playing a character who is a literal parody of right-wing personalities and talking points. I don't recall seeing a left-wing parody character on the stage to "balance" against Colbert.

But I guess everybody needs a scapegoat? :shrug:

[GrpCaptMandrake]

23. Strawman much? n/t

[11 Bravo]

67. Tin Man much?

Stewart wears his heart on his sleeve 5 nights a week. You suffer from no such malady, but instead resort to trite catch phrases.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

87. You think I was talking about Stewart?

I was referring to the fact that you stated inferences that are unsupported by the facts.

Stewart doesn't "wear his heart on his sleeve" unless you think his heart is made of ironic post-modern comedic bits. Is that your point? The heart-on-sleeve crowd is over at MSNBC, if anywhere. That, or maybe "The View."

[LWolf]

28. DU, while denigrating republicans and other conservatives

for their addiction to FOX, Beck, Rush, etc., exhibit the same obsessions and addictions with their chosen talking heads, eerily mirroring the other side.

[Major Hogwash]

29. He was not a good woodchuck

Turns out he pissed in the popcorn.
Film at 11:00.

[JackRiddler]

30. Yeah, that's why half the threads are about him.

[NuclearDem]

31. Well to be fair...

Probably half the threads over at Free Republic are about Obama...doesn't mean they say good things.

[JackRiddler]

33. If the OP wishes to make such a case, they should at least use proper Latin.

[NuclearDem]

35. I thought persona non grata was correct?

[GrpCaptMandrake]

51. Pretty sure it is n/t

From an old Latin geek

[apocalypsehow]

60. But even if it isn't, there is nothing more boring than a grammar/spelling nanny. It's almost always

a sure sign that the person engaging in same has very little else in their intellectual quiver to offer.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

88. Criticizing spellng on the internets

is a lot like watching the Special Olympics for athletic endeavors, or bashing Helen Keller for wearing clashing colors.

[11 Bravo]

36. I want to be sure to respond correctly, so help me out ...

Is it "dipshit" or "dip shit"?

[JackRiddler]

40. Chickenshit.

[11 Bravo]

45. I acquiesce in the face of your self-awareness. You know yourself much better than I ever could.

Chickenshit it shall be!

[JackRiddler]

48. As in, a descriptor for your premises.

Stewart has plenty of support around here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9546745

[11 Bravo]

59. My bad. I thought "chickenshit" was an admission of a snarky and ignorant call for "proper Latin"..

in your earlier post. Wow, I guess a lot of misunderstandings could be avoided if someone didn't attempt to jump into a thread with a wise-ass (and foolish) response.
(Bonus points if you can figure out who that someone was.)

[proteus_lives]

32. K/R.

[Cirque du So-What]

38. DU was at war with The Daily Show

therefore DU had always been at war with The Daily Show.

Give it a week and some people will be at war with KO instead.

[Major Hogwash]

41. People have criticized Stewart here before, they will again.

When he deserves it.

I don't think it has anything to do with KO at this point.

[gort]

42. I like Jon Stewart and his opinion is valuable

I also like Olbermann, Maddow and some of CNN's News segments.

The job of the media is to do the News. Unfortunately, we have just had a week of the Media doing navel gazing and interviewing themselves.

Olbermann became the News. That is wrong.

Rachel interviews Jon Stewart to talk about the delivery or "the messaging" of the News. That is wrong.

The media needs to do its job and do the News.

Think of this, how did the Viet Nam war finally end? Because Walter Cronkite reported about it nightly and Americans grew weary of seeing the daily list of US casualties while they were eating dinner.

News is News.

We don't have much of that right now and that is what I think is the crux of what Jon's critique of the media is.

Linda Ellerbee once stated in an interview the most important lesson she learned from an editor was "never ride the Circus Elephant" when doing a news story. That means when reporting the circus is coming to town, you never take up their offer to let you ride the elephant, because then you have made the story about you and not the circus's arrival that you should be covering.

All the major newscasters need to learn that lesson again.

[terrya]

44. I love Jon Stewart. I'd marry him if I could.

But I can't. I have a boyfriend. He's already married. And he's straight.

[Donnachaidh]

49. I cam away from the Maddow interview wondering when Jon fell in love with his own voice

And I'm a long-time Daily Show fan!

But Jon has developed an ego that is far too big for his little body. Seriously. I'll still watch the show, because it is his WRITERS that are the ones who are spot on, in terms of politics.

Jon needs to snap out of it. Polishing one's own halo in public just pisses people off. :shrug:

[madokie]

50. I finally got around to watching that show this morning

I have no problem with Stewart or KO or any of our other good democratic personalities. I didn't get any of the shit from the show as I've been reading here on du. sometimes I wonder when it was that du jumped the shark, cause sometimes it sure seems to have and this is one thing that makes it seem so to me.

[Alameda]

52. Oh, I love John Stewart. He's great.

[Jamastiene]

53. Passionate, aren't you?

I think some people disagreed with him. That does not make him persona non grata at all. It just means some people disagreed with him on something he said.

Chill out, would ya?

[MorningGlow]

54. I can't keep up

Reminds me of my crazy Italian family--one minute a relative is "in", the next s/he's "out". When my brother arrives from California for a visit after a couple of years, he always asks for the scorecard--who are we speaking to this week? When I visit DU, I'm never sure who was once beloved yesterday is now "evil incarnate" today. :P

[jancantor]

68. Just when I thought I was out

THEY PULL ME BACK IN!!

[shireen]

55. i still love the guy ...

i don't have to agree with everything he says. i still think he's a cool dude.

[11 Bravo]

70. Pretty much my point.

Now read the thread to see how it has been interpreted by some of the more ideologically pure than thou crowd.

[shireen]

72. LOL! i like that phrase ...

"pure than thou" ... it sums up a lot of DU posts these days.

[shireen]

73. LOL! i like that phrase ...

"pure than thou" ... it sums up a lot of DU posts these days.

[dionysus]

61. so is the President. go figure.

:shrug:

[SidDithers]

63. K&R...nt

Sid

[jancantor]

65. I, for one, am still with Stewart.

I don't care what the DU official stance is.

[Desertrose]

69. Same here.

His point(s) were lost on so many here.

[Violet_Crumble]

80. There's no official stance n/t

[Skittles]

78. I have always adored him

and since I'm not an apologist asshole, I still do

[Violet_Crumble]

79. I like Jon Stewart. The Daily Show is pretty funny stuff...

I haven't been reading many threads in GD and I'm not even sure what all the anger's about. I like the Daily Show, think he's a really funny guy and don't really care if someone else doesn't like him...

[madrchsod]

81. ya...but i do`t give a shit....

my vote and his vote both weigh the same

[malaise]

82. Sometimes you have to

just laugh! I loved most of the discussion last night.

[boppers]

83. Nuance can be a hard sell.

Fortunately, Stewart is persistent.

[sendero]

84. John Stewart is OK by me...

... at least he uses words with more power than 99% of progressives.

[tomp]

86. frankly, i think you should work on your expository skills.

but jon lost me when equating right and left in the media. he's not only wrong, but harmful, on a KEY point. and that position is sufficient for me to jettison him from my pantheon.

jon knows what side his bread is buttered on.

[apocalypsehow]

89. LOL...funny stuff - "jettison him from my pantheon"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: